we had euro-bums now we got...

[Eaner0919]

You completly missed my point and now you're further looking like a spastic, good job. I don't care about this "AMERICA VS EUROPE" mentality, that's the difference between me and you. I just found it humorous he called british fighters bad and the example he gave was a brit beating a brit - that's why where Ola got his training from never mattered he was saying it from a pure national point of view which is why nationality vs nationality is ignorant as **** in boxing.


All in all, your post is full of false assumptions, annoying rhetoric and just being a bit of a **** so yeah I'm done.

fair enough

[Clegg]

They should do a PPV called 'War of the Worlds: Bum Fights'.

Take a few British boxers with losing records and put them up against a few American boxers with losing records. Normally no one would give a **** about two unskilled, out of shape nobodies boxing, but if you play on the UK vs USA angle, there are a large number of nationalistic idiots that would switch over from Corrales-Castillo in order to see it, and NSB would be filled with thread after thread of
"Our bums r da best"
"STFU n00b, ur bums are bums, our bums are much better"
"Did you see the way he almost slipped a jab? Mad skillz, where da haterz at now?"

[S A M U R A I]

Really.. Nicky Cook and Enzo Maccarinelli, two of the U.K. highest rated fighters, got destroyed on the same night/card.

Name something that's come close to happening in America, to AMERICAN fighters.

Nicky Cook is not special. I kept saying this ages ago.

He's not THAT highly rated in the UK anyway, in fact most people wouldn't even know who he is.

Enzo used to be OK, but he's slipped.



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[Home town hero]

LMAO. Lame excuse. Martinez was untested. As good as he is/could be, he wasn't a tested fighter at that point, especially on a world-wide level. But he's arguable. Nonetheless, Afulabi, please. Enzo got owned by a guy I doubt we'll be hearing much of. Simple as sin. Khan, not to mention, got beat by a guy in 60 second, or less, that looked **** in his last outing.

No two ways about it. Europe has the bigger let downs.

Debate it all you want, grow old all you'd like. Still true.

Afolabi was born in london mate (y)

[D-MiZe]

I count 9 American champions.
21 European champions.

[The Gunner]

Really.. Nicky Cook and Enzo Maccarinelli, two of the U.K. highest rated fighters, got destroyed on the same night/card.

Name something that's come close to happening in America, to AMERICAN fighters.

Nicky Cook was never near one of our best he wasn't even the best british fighter in his weight class. Cook got lucky with his title win, he was fighting an Arthur who hadn't been right at the weight for 18 months.

And regarding Enzo that was brit vs brit. LOL!!!

[THe TRiNiTY]

So you're trying to discredit british fighters by pointing out other british fighters that beat them? Makes perfect sense. Twat.

I'm the twat, and yet.. I never said that I was going to discredit British fighters. You should learn to read things a little better, innit?

I said the the PRIMIER British fighters, BOTH lost that night.

Are you trying to tell me the Afolabi was the highlighted fighter on that night?

****ing moron.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Except where all the money is.. The heavyweights..

Which I have seen with my OWN eyes drive Americans out of their fucking minds

I'll admit when something is true. American Heavyweights don't really get it done.

Nonetheless, the biggest money making fights within the last 5 to 10 years, not in the Heavyweight division. Regardless of where you were born.

[mathed]

I don't know which fighters are the best- US or European

Maybe it is that more American boxers are televised and known about than European boxers. There could be a lot of good boxers that never get the chance to fight on TV. Adamek is very good and beat Cunningham; I'm not too familiar with European boxers, but the K-bros seem unbeatable right now

[THe TRiNiTY]

Nicky Cook was never near one of our best he wasn't even the best british fighter in his weight class. Cook got lucky with his title win, he was fighting an Arthur who hadn't been right at the weight for 18 months.

And regarding Enzo that was brit vs brit. LOL!!!

Once again, you're missing the point.

Lemme give an example. Andre Berto, almost got beat by Luis Collazo. If that had happened, you guys would have said. Another American prospect bites the dust. And it would have been true.

The reason that makes sense is because Luis Collazo is not the highlighted fighter in the equation and because smart people know who matter. Collazo winning would have been nice for him. Maybe given him another bigger payday, but that's it. He's not the type of fighter to get a major push.

Just like Afulabi.

As far as Cook, I didn't say he was your best, I said that he was highly rated within his division, by The Ring Magazine, pointing that out now. And he got starched pretty decent.

I'm not HONESTLY trying to bad mouth the U.K. or European fighters, but I disagree with America being full of bums or 'Cans'.

We have two fighters on the top 10 p4p list, the U.K. has one.

In terms of all the rankings, lets look at them this way. If you take The Ring Magazine ratings... Take only the top 5 for American, and the whole list for the U.K., the U.K. has these fighters

Ricky Hatton, world champion.
Nicky Cook
Junior Witter
Carl Froch
Ola Afolabi
David Haye
Clinton Woods

If you even wanted to count world-rated trinkets, they have maybe two out of the lot of those guys.

American fighters, that had to be top 5 or better in their division....

Kelly Pavlik, world champion.
Steve Cunningham
Steven Luevano
Rocky Juarez
Juan Diaz
David Diaz
Timothy Bradley
Paulie Malignaggi
Shane Mosley
Vernon Forrest
Paul Williams
Cory Spinks
Randy Griffin
Jermain Taylor
Bernard Hopkins
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver

Keep in mind, I'm litereally forgetting some. If you took off fighters coming off of losses from that list, you still have atleast 9 on the list.

If you take off anyone from that that has ever lost to a U.K. fighter, the list is almost exactly the same.

If you take off people older than 35, that list is still 12+ long, still.

Hell, our bottom half has..

Chris Arreola
James Kirkland
Roy Jones Jr.
Allan Green
Sergio Mora
Andre Berto
Luis Collazo
Kendall Holt
Nate Campbell
Robert Guerrero
Anthony Peterson

And honestly, if you take ONLY the undefeated guys from both American lists, you're left with....

Anthony Peterson
Andre Berto
James Kirkland
Chris Arreola
Chad Dawson
Timothy Bradley

I guys beat THAT list. That's the list you guys beat, by one.

And I'm not trying to discredit the U.K., but don't tell me they have ANY sort of dominance over the U.S.

They don't.