Who has a better Legacy??? Hopkins or Jones

[RL_GMA]

It's hard to put a lot of people over Roy based on his talent, but as far as victories over key names in the sport...you gotta go with Bernard.

Winky
Tito
Oscar
Tarver
Pavlik

Now a lot of people will pick at his wins like "Oscar & Tito werent true 160, Pavlik was one-dimensional, Tarver was drained, etc". But the funny part is that many people picked Bernard to lose and he seemed to always prove people wrong.

Roy's gonna be looked at as one of the sports most entertaining and athletic fighters of our time while Bernard will be heralded as one of the great Middleweights of our time who defied the odds as his career was said to be past the prime years.

[THE REED]

It's a catchweight. 175lbs is the limit for LHW. You can't be a 170lbs guy fighting at 175, it's not possible.

It's 2lbs north of Super Middleweight. And 4lbs north of where Kelly looked good against against Taylor in the rematch.

Peanuts, really.

If you fight at 170 it is sanctioned as a LHW bout.

If it is OVER 168 it is not SMW anymore...


but it adds on to my point...

At 160 pavlik KOs Jermain

at 166... Pavlik has a close fight with Jermain

at 170.................................

Im not discrediting Bernards win... but some people need to see every angle of this fight.

[THE REED]

It's hard to put a lot of people over Roy based on his talent, but as far as victories over key names in the sport...you gotta go with Bernard.

Winky
Tito
Oscar
Tarver
Pavlik

Now a lot of people will pick at his wins like "Oscar & Tito werent true 160, Pavlik was one-dimensional, Tarver was drained, etc". But the funny part is that many people picked Bernard to lose and he seemed to always prove people wrong.

Roy's gonna be looked at as one of the sports most entertaining and athletic fighters of our time while Bernard will be heralded as one of the great Middleweights of our time who defied the odds as his career was said to be past the prime years.

You cant say the Win has more VALIDATION.. because people thought Bernard would lose... the opponent is... who the opponent is... and those opponents all had to move up in weight to fight Bernard...

[Truth]

a ton of Hopkins Title Defenses were before that age. While he was defending the IBF title to number 1 contenders, all the other fighters ducked him. He finally got his shot against Trinidad to show the World his skills. But if he fought all these fighters when he was 30-35, he'd whoop em.

Oh I know. I'm actually a big Hopkins fan too. To be honest, I can't make a decision on this.....

[IMDAZED]

When did being athletic become a crime? It's like, let's take away Ray Robinson's legacy because he had fast hands. Like...huh?

Forgot Jones' dazzle in the ring and look at his accomplishments--those who actually followed the sport in the 90's know what I'm talking about. Remember how he used to get blasted for his quality of opposition? Then we turned around and realized he had the best resume in the sport? I think sometimes the newbies who began following the sport during the tail end of his run can never appreciate what he did. A prime Jones = Mayweather x 2. You have Hopkins higher--can't argue with it. But if you base Jones as being all athleticism then please discredit Ali for having fast hands and anyone else who (gasp!) made the most of their God-given talent.

[THE REED]

he was p4p top 3 for a long time, but who the **** did he beat to get there??? a bunch of bums

Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 1998 before he unified all 3 belts.

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Dariusz Michalczewski
3. Reggie Johnson
4. Graciano Rocchigiani
5. Lou Del Valle
6. Eric Harding
7. Montell Griffin
8. Michael Nunn
9. Antonio Tarver
10. David Telesco


Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 2003 his last year as Champion.

Roy Jones Jr., Champion

1. Antonio Tarver
2. Julio Cesar Gonzalez
3. Dariusz Michalczewski
4. Glen Johnson
5. Eric Harding
6. Clinton Woods
7. Silvio Branco
8. Montell Griffin
9. Richard Hall
10. Mehdi Sahnoune

Both lists are practically Roy's resume.


Just BUMS? How about he beat Bernard for the MW title... people say Bernard was green, but then fail to mention Bernard didnt lose for 12 years afterwards...

You'd have to ask yourself... what would Bernard have done if Roy decided to stay at MW?

Toney was 44-0 and P4P #3 on the list... ROY MOVED UP to beat him.

Roy cleaned out 175...

then coming from MW beat a top ranked HW...

then moved back down and fought the #1 LHW...




when did you start watching boxing?

[billionaire]

easily roy hands down

no one has been better at beating down daytime cops and showing off against night bakers better then roy yones......
no one has been better then avoiding prime competition than roy yones....
and no one has made better excuses (lucky punch, i didnt care, i dont want my father getting credit, blame the cutman) than roy yones.....

[IMDAZED]

Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 1998 before he unified all 3 belts.

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Dariusz Michalczewski
3. Reggie Johnson
4. Graciano Rocchigiani
5. Lou Del Valle
6. Eric Harding
7. Montell Griffin
8. Michael Nunn
9. Antonio Tarver
10. David Telesco


Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 2003 his last year as Champion.

Roy Jones Jr., Champion

1. Antonio Tarver
2. Julio Cesar Gonzalez
3. Dariusz Michalczewski
4. Glen Johnson
5. Eric Harding
6. Clinton Woods
7. Silvio Branco
8. Montell Griffin
9. Richard Hall
10. Mehdi Sahnoune

Both lists are practically Roy's resume.


Just BUMS? How about he beat Bernard for the MW title... people say Bernard was green, but then fail to mention Bernard didnt lose for 12 years afterwards...

You'd have to ask yourself... what would Bernard have done if Roy decided to stay at MW?

Toney was 440 and P4P #3 on the list... ROY MOVED UP to beat him.

Roy cleaned out 175...

then coming from MW beat a top ranked HW...

then moved back down and fought the #1 LHW...




when did you start watching boxing?

Did dde really say "who did he beat to get there?"

Do you see all the praise Pac has gotten for beating a washed up Oscar?

Imagine the hype if he moved up to fight a top three, undefeated pound for pounder who looked absolutely unbeatable when motivated? Then shut him out?

[ИATAS]

If you fight at 170 it is sanctioned as a LHW bout.

If it is OVER 168 it is not SMW anymore...


but it adds on to my point...

At 160 pavlik KOs Jermain

at 166... Pavlik has a close fight with Jermain

at 170.................................

Im not discrediting Bernards win... but some people need to see every angle of this fight.

God, people seriously use weight waaaaaay to much on this site. Palvik did better the first time against Taylor not because of the 6 pound weight difference but because of how taylor actually fought the fights. First fight taylor goes in thinking he's going to ko the kid. He gassed himself out after nearly getting the job done. 2nd fight taylor had a completely different mind set and tried to out box the guy and was defensive and timid as he didn't want to get KO'd again.

[THE REED]

easily roy hands down

no one has been better at beating down daytime cops and showing off against night bakers better then roy yones......
no one has been better then avoiding prime competition than roy yones....
and no one has made better excuses (lucky punch, i didnt care, i dont want my father getting credit, blame the cutman) than roy yones.....

all this does, is make everyone look at you .. and realize you just started watching this sport.