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    #21
    Originally posted by Canada Joe
    No Vitali fan would agree with Teddy. He doesn't deny that he hates them.

    First time Wlad was ever on ESPN in 1999, Teddy did the same thing. Wlad fought a perfect fight and won by a second round KO, but Teddy bashed him throughout the broadcast.
    It's probably because he remembers the great heavyweight days and resents the Klitchscko's because they're not American. That being said he made valid points throughout, and I don't think anyone can just sweep him under the rug and call him a hater. Does anyone honestly think Saturday night was what a heavyweight title fight SHOULD be? I don't knock Vitali, he fought well, but the division is so weak it's like Atlas said, how can we know for sure how good these guys are?

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    • Chase8400
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      #22
      Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
      I agree, The klits are just average fighters in a mediocre division!!!!!!!!!!
      Does that mean Lennox Lewis was average too? Were Tyson and Holyfield? How about Morrison, Bruno, Botha, 1990's Golota, Tua, Grant, Akinwande, Mercer or Tony Tucker?

      Do any of those names have anything in common? Yea, they do. They all were one sidedly beaten by the same Lennox Lewis that was getting beaten by Vitali Klitschko.(you will say, "but he lost by a TKO") If you say that Vitali is average, you have to say that Lennox was too and you would look foolish to say that with a resume' with those names above on it.

      You come on here and say allot of laughable things, but this takes the cake.
      If I recall correctly, you were one of the ones who was picking Gomez over Vitali. How do you feel now being the hypocrite that gives no credit to a fighter that you dubbed to lose before his fight?

      Pitifull.
      Last edited by Chase8400; 03-23-2009, 09:42 AM.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Canada Joe
        No Vitali fan would agree with Teddy. He doesn't deny that he hates them.

        First time Wlad was ever on ESPN in 1999, Teddy did the same thing. Wlad fought a perfect fight and won by a second round KO, but Teddy bashed him throughout the broadcast.
        i'm talking about this fight and i not a fan of wlad

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        • dans
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          #24
          Originally posted by Chase8400
          Does that mean Lennox Lewis was average too? Were Tyson and Holyfield? How about Morrison, Bruno, Botha, 1990's Golota, Tua, Grant, Akinwande, Mercer or Tony Tucker?

          Do any of those names have anything in common? Yea, they do. They all were one sidedly beaten by the same Lennox Lewis that was getting beaten by Vitali Klitschko.(you will say, "but he lost by a TKO") If you say that Vitali is average, you have to say that Lennox was too and you would look foolish to say that with a resume' with those names above on it.

          You come on here and say allot of laughable things, but this takes the cake.
          If I recall correctly, you were one of the ones who was picking Gomez over Vitali. How do you feel now being the hypocrit that gives no credit to a fighter that you dubbed to lose before his fight?

          Pitifull.
          I think he meant to say Vitali is a good heavyweight in a miserable heavyweight division.

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          • JakeNDaBox
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            #25
            Originally posted by dans01234
            We don't have a problem when announcers say "what a great fight", "this is great action", or "these guys are warriors", why? Because they are all positive statements. If Atlas was speaking positively of the fight or the fighters, no one would have a problem with him mixing opinion with commentary, which is what color commentary is supposed to be. But because Atlas was critical of the heavyweight division and critical of Vitali, he's out of line. Give me a break!

            Let's face it everyone. The heavyweight division is not what it used to be. If Saturday night was shown 15 years ago as a heavyweight fight, it would be mocked to no end.
            Teddy's job title is "boxing ANALYST". He's supposed to analyze what's taking place in the ring. Any credit he gave to Vitali was begrudgingly, and this against a fighter in Gomez that Teddy picked to pull off the upset.

            My beef with his call was that with the show going head to head with March Madness, he didn't give fans any reason whatsoever to not flip over to CBS. When he was partnered with Papa when FNF first returned, one gift Teddy had was to maintain viewer's interest regardless of how good or bad a fight was.

            To use his own words from once ago, any idiot can sit in on a Fight of the Year candidate and tell viewers they're watching a great fight. But where you earn your money is keeping viewers interested when the action in the ring doesn't quite measure up.

            Brian Kenny wasn't exactly gushing with praise all night, but he did his job as far as I'm concerned. He saw Gomez melting down, and called it round after round. He was doing the stuff Teddy is paid to observe and articulate. Instead, Teddy stuck to his reservoir of cliches and insults.

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              #26
              Originally posted by JakeNDaBox
              Teddy's job title is "boxing ANALYST". He's supposed to analyze what's taking place in the ring. Any credit he gave to Vitali was begrudgingly, and this against a fighter in Gomez that Teddy picked to pull off the upset.

              My beef with his call was that with the show going head to head with March Madness, he didn't give fans any reason whatsoever to not flip over to CBS. When he was partnered with Papa when FNF first returned, one gift Teddy had was to maintain viewer's interest regardless of how good or bad a fight was.

              To use his own words from once ago, any idiot can sit in on a Fight of the Year candidate and tell viewers they're watching a great fight. But where you earn your money is keeping viewers interested when the action in the ring doesn't quite measure up.

              Brian Kenny wasn't exactly gushing with praise all night, but he did his job as far as I'm concerned. He saw Gomez melting down, and called it round after round. He was doing the stuff Teddy is paid to observe and articulate. Instead, Teddy stuck to his reservoir of cliches and insults.
              I know what you're saying. I guess it's just refreshing to me that someone will actually point out the fact that the heavyweight division is crap. I also don't recall Atlas taking digs at Vitali. Do you have some more quotes? I just remember him taking shots more at the division more than anything.

              Overall I think it was a poor broadcast and lacked the excitement of even a FNF card.

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                #27
                Originally posted by DavrosPremuleas
                I didnt think Atlas was that bad I only saw the fight and didnt see his after fight anaylisis but i think some people are going over the top about it.
                I'm a huge Atlas fan so he can get away with a lot as far as i'm concerned. I have to say though that his dislike for all things Klit and the current HW division in general is pretty evident. Heavy weight fights are frequently difficult to watch and it sounds like he really longs for it's glory days of old.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by JakeNDaBox
                  Funny, around this time last week I was accused of being a Klitschko hater by members of this very same board. I guess I'm bipolar?

                  What I'm a fan of, is dominant performances and fighters impressively closing the show. Regardless of my thoughts on Vitali as a fighter, the aforementioned scenario took place on Saturday.

                  Boring is Wlad-Rahman. And Wlad-Thompson (save for the ending). And Wlad-Ibragimov...

                  Gomez is a legit Top 10 heavy and going into the fight, stylistically was supposed to present Vitali with fits. That same fighter showed up on Saturday (albeit a bit too fleshy) and got handled, at least from round two onward.

                  That should tell you how sad and weak the HW division is in when a guy like Gomez is considered a top 10 HW.

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                  • jetgeomcx
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                    #29
                    emotional analyst

                    so nothing new with TA, he just hates the brothers. comments, analysis, perceptions of the fyt and the boxers are given, but not to show obvious bias and bashing even to the winner. TA must remember that he is talking to the world (who are watching) and learn to contain his emotions. bring in all your comments about TA so he will not be given the same job again.....

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                      #30
                      I think if the Klitschko's were American we wouldn't be having these discussions about whether they're really good or not. Teddy alluded to the fact himself by essentially saying what would get him interested in the heavyweight division is if there were good American heavyweights as champion.

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