Vitali fight: Obnoxious boxing commentary as usual, bad ref as usual

[βetamax]

Atlas is a hateful idiot.

I watched the German-language stream instead of the ESPN stream, even though I don't understand German, so I wouldn't be angered by the bashing and discrediting I knew he'd be doing to Vitali. I was really looking forward to this fight and didn't want him to ruin it for me.

Teddy's always hated the Klitschkos, and will even lie about them to discredit them. For example, he always mentions Vitali's reach.

He keeps talking about some "reach advantage" Vitali has. According to Atlas, that's the only reason Vitali wins.

Reach of several boxers:

Michael Grant 86"
Lennox Lewis 84"
Hasim Rahman 82"
Paul Williams 82"
Steve Cunningham 82"
Tony Thompson 81.5"
Wladimir Klitschko 81"
Juan Carlos Gomez 80.5"
Vitali Klitschko 80"

Teddy is a liar. He knows as well as I do that Vitali does not have an exceptionally long reach advantage, yet he talks about it over and over again, so to avoid being honest and acknowledging Vitali is an excellent boxer. Vitali's unique SKILL is the main reason he keeps on dominating his opponents.

Lennox Lewis really had a long reach advantage over Mike Tyson, 84" to 71" and David Tua, 84" to 70".

You would think that since reach is so important, then Michael Grant with his reach of 86" should have won a world title. But perhaps Grant was unsuccessful because he had a very ****** trainer, namely, Teddy Atlas.

Your using WINGSPAN. You realize that's measured from finger tip to finger tip. In other words it's inaccurate because it takes into account chest width and finger length and boxers close their fists. If someone's wingspan is 2" longer than that's only 1" per side (not even necessarily arm length), that's practically nothing.

It's logical to assume that if someone is 6'7" they have a long reach. If anything it's still an advantage if you have the same arm length but have a height advantage as well.

The last paragraph you wrote is complete gold. You make it a habit of going around discrediting black fighters because of their "reach advantage" as though that's what gives them the edge, now your saying it's not important? LOL

[The Hammer]

Mt102879, you use the "strawman" approach, as always. I've always said reach advantage is important, and never said it is not!

If you were mentally balanced, you would agree Teddy is much too negative about the Klitschkos. Everyone could easily hear it in his comments yesterday!

To you, if someone points out a black fighter has a reach advantage, then the person is a racist white supremacist.

But if Atlas goes on repeatedly about a reach advantage that Vitali DOESN'T REALLY HAVE, then he's being fair.

Keep it up! If you were less paranoid and more balanced in your comments, instead of always coming from your "black is good, white is evil" delusion, you might actually convince some people...

[BattlingNelson]

Point deduction was justified, rules of WBC

http://www.wbcboxing.com/WBCboxing/Portal/cfpages/contentmgr.cfm?docId=89&docTipo=1

b) Unintentional head butt. When a boxer is cut due to an unintentional head butt, as per the discretion of the referee, the uncut boxer will receive a one-(1) point deduction. This rule does not apply in the USA.

I didn't understand the pointdeduction as it happened. When I saw the replay it looked as if Vitali missed a punch and while pulling his fist back towards his chest the wrapping 'scratched' pretty bad against Gomez left eye causing the injury. So I thought it was for a foul Vitali committed.

BTW I thought the ref did a pretty bad job. Gomez continually led with his head as he charged forward often smashing his skull on Vitali's chin and mouth. He should have been warned for that IMO.

[The Hammer]

BTW I thought the ref did a pretty bad job. Gomez continually led with his head as he charged forward often smashing his skull on Vitali's chin and mouth. He should have been warned for that IMO.

I thought so too. It made me wonder a bit if he was in the pockets of the crooked Ahmet Oner.

[βetamax]

Mt102879, you use the "strawman" approach, as always. I've always said reach advantage is important, and never said it is not!

If you were mentally balanced, you would agree Teddy is much too negative about the Klitschkos. Everyone could easily hear it in his comments yesterday!

To you, if someone points out a black fighter has a reach advantage, then the person is a racist white supremacist.

But if Atlas goes on repeatedly about a reach advantage that Vitali DOESN'T REALLY HAVE, then he's being fair.

Keep it up! If you were less paranoid and more balanced in your comments, instead of always coming from your "black is good, white is evil" delusion, you might actually convince some people...

Yes, I agree that Atlas was negative. Though I think he was trying to make the point that people shouldn't get too carried away because the division is so weak. It's practically the same thing he did to Naazim Richardson. He said it had more to do with poor opponents then good training. I however don't resort to calling him a racist like you do.

You've pointed out on a white supremacist forum, which makes you a racist by default, that reach advantage is is what gives black fighters the edge. Your essentially just trying to downplay skill and athletic ability of black fighters and in turn credit white fighters with this. So yes, that makes you a racist.

Yes, Atlas should probably check the facts even though as I pointed out wingspan is not always accurate. I don't know if this was deliberate or if he just made the assumption since he has the height advantage which in turn makes reach more effective. When your punching down you get more leverage on your punches vs punching up. It's also more tiring on your arms to punch up then down.

Spare me the balanced crap. Anyone with half a brain knows that your one of the most bias posters on the board. This coming from a person who constantly points out that Dawson:

1) Only fights old men when in reality their the best in the division.
2) He "ducked" Tavoris Cloud in favor of Tarver who's the bigger name, better, fighter, and better payday.
3) Avoid Diaconu who actually pulled out because of an injury.

Don't you ever tired of being a lying hypocrite?

[werewolf]

That's called the job of the play-by-play announcer. The Lampley's, Tessitore's, etc. Their job is to call the action and in turn their going to sound neutral. It's the color commentator's job to provide insight....

That might have its place in some advertising schtick they might run on their idiot network before the fight, but not during the fight. Why must I listen to this low-IQ psychopath's ******ed theories about when Vitali really turned into a pro or really became a macho man or whatever the f the maniac was raving on about, and repeating it over and over, and meanwhile ignoring half the actual fight? I can draw my own conclusions from my own eyes and ears. I don't want some talking head telling me what to think. Comprende?

[werewolf]

I didn't understand the pointdeduction as it happened. When I saw the replay it looked as if Vitali missed a punch and while pulling his fist back towards his chest the wrapping 'scratched' pretty bad against Gomez left eye causing the injury. So I thought it was for a foul Vitali committed.

BTW I thought the ref did a pretty bad job. Gomez continually led with his head as he charged forward often smashing his skull on Vitali's chin and mouth. He should have been warned for that IMO.

Gomez' head was always right in there, tho I didn't actually see any intentional butting, and certainly not from Vitali. Aside from the crazy point deduction, I liked the ref because he stayed out of the fight and didn't try to make himself the star and the center of attention, and he let the fighters fight, and especially he let them fight their way out of clinches, instead of diving in every two seconds arms waving and screaming, like Joe f'ing Cortez or Randy Neuman or some other corrupt and incompetent American referee, if you can even call them referees, as opposed to Don King employees.

[werewolf]

Your using WINGSPAN. You realize that's measured from finger tip to finger tip. In other words it's inaccurate because it takes into account chest width and finger length and boxers close their fists. If someone's wingspan is 2" longer than that's only 1" per side (not even necessarily arm length), that's practically nothing.

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Huh? Wingspan, as far as I know, is the same thing as "reach". Finger length irrelevance - but not chest width - is a good point though. For boxing, the measurement should be calculated from knuckle to knuckle instead of fingertip to fingertip.