Just watched DLH vs Floyd Jr and PAC against DLH

[Levcon8686]

Here's what alot of PAC's detractors have said, DLH got old, he was weight drained.

Well, the DLH that fought Floyd was already old and past his prime too. Now that I've gotten a chance to see DLH's fights with Floyd & PAC back to back, I'm even more convinced that being weight drained wasn't really the issue, but more the styles of PAC & Floyd is what dictated on how DLH was gonna look.

The biggest difference between DLH against Floyd was that he was a lil busier with the jab, whereas when he fought PAC, he simply had no jab.

The fact that DLH was able to throw some jabs and flurries at Floyd had more to do with the fact that Floyd, as most of us know, is a "stand in the pocket" kind of guy who has great upper body movement, Floyd likes to be cute, and it gave DLH opportunities, not that DLH created opportunities.

The biggest difference that I saw between PAC & FLoyd, was how Floyd ,even though he easily potshotted DLH, but he really only threw 1-2's and then stopped and moved out, whereas PAC, would throw 3-4 punch combinations.

If you guys watch the videos again, you would see that whenever Floyd would throw 1-2's at DLH, DLH would freeze, Floyd could've added 2-3 more punches after he landed his jab - straight, but he decided to dance away, Floyd could'vd put on the same ass kickin' on DLH like PAC if he would've pressured Hoya more!

The moral of the story is, it wasn't so much DLH putting on a better performance against Floyd, it was the difference in styles of the puppet masters(PAC & Floyd).

I disagree completely. Oscar couldn't and didn't throw **** all punches all night. The Oscar who fought Floyd was slightly faded. The Oscar who fought Manny was nothing. He was utterly useless. I believe the top 20 at 147 could have won a UD against him that night(if not stopped him). Manny's a great fighter and deserves credit but Oscar was a slow, weak, inactive man the night he beat him.

Plus Floyd won easily enough against DLH. How one judge scored it for Oscar is beyond me. He won on points against a man weighing almost a stone more than him on fight night. Manny weighed more than Oscar in their fight come fight night.

[El Jesus]

******....

I guess intelligent and respectful arguing isnt your thing. Ill let you play these kindergarten games with someone else.

[letsgobrady]

i kinda agree with the thread starter. weight definitely affected Oscar. but not as much as a lot of people are claiming.

its kinda funny how no one gave pacquiao a chance, and now people are making all this dumb-**** excuses. pac was supposed to get killed remember?

yea i thought oscar was gonna put manny out but my reason was more because oscar is a smart fighter even though he kinda fell off i thought the fact that oscar was a bigger and smarter fighter he would be able to figure out how to beat and hurt manny

[aether]

I guess intelligent and respectful arguing isnt your thing. Ill let you play these kindergarten games with someone else.

please... floyd has it in second gear? stop gargling his nuts. it was a ****ing split decision.

[Pacdbest]

Both fight Proved that Pac is the harder Hitter than Floyd. Pac has the Bigger Cajones too. Floyd showed he was hidding something. Maybe his chin is not really Granite.

Before the fight, they replayed the DLH-Quartey. Even then DLH looks sluggish. And I made the conclusion that Pac can dominate DLH. Left hooker style is made for Pac. Anybody with a Left hook but a weak straight Right & Jab will be dominated by Pac. Barrera found it in 2 fights.

Style wise PBF will give Pac problems because of PBF jab & straight right. Left hook will be no problem with Pac. But I don't think Floyd has the power to KO Pac. Pac definitely can hurt floyd, Pac-PBF will be a close tactical fight just like Pac-JMM. But JMm I think has more Cajones & the Better Puncher than Floyd. Floyd just have better defence. But I think his chin was a suspect. Floyd fight scared on some of his fights. Pac will definitely test his chin.

[Levcon8686]

i know it does. but it actually has less to do with the outcome of the fight than you would want it to be. it was more on their styles. pacquiao did allow de la hoya to get his rhythm. that's why he seemed like he was not punching.

oscar being weight drained is pure bull-****.

I don't know how you can't see De La Hoya was a pile of ****e against Manny. Manny whooped him cos it was impossible not to. Oscar just stood there. The De La Hoya that tried to pound mayweather on the ropes wasn't there against manny. He never even looked capable of attacking manny in that way.

[aether]

yea i thought oscar was gonna put manny out but my reason was more because oscar is a smart fighter even though he kinda fell off i thought the fact that oscar was a bigger and smarter fighter he would be able to figure out how to beat and hurt manny

i agree. i picked dlh by ko. logic points out he would dominate pac. he did'nt.

most of the people who picked oscar are going with this "DLH was weight-drained" crap. remember "no excuses"? how "50 yr old DLH would kill pac?"

it was agreed that dlh may have a hard time making weight. he didn't. it was also agreed that the weight might affect him. guess what dumb-****s, with those taken into consideration, DLH WAS STILL SUPPOSED TO BEAT THIS GUY.

[AztecWanker]

Floyd basically beat oscar without ever kicking it into second gear, floyd was comfortable where he was and basically stayed there, its no different than what hopkins/toney type fighters do, he doesnt really care about crowd pleasing and the like.

That's all it is really. Fighters like that just care about the W.

[aether]

I don't know how you can't see De La Hoya was a pile of ****e against Manny. Manny whooped him cos it was impossible not to. Oscar just stood there. The De La Hoya that tried to pound mayweather on the ropes wasn't there against manny. He never even looked capable of attacking manny in that way.

i watched the fight a dozen times. it was not as if dlh was not trying. it was their styles. that's why he looked like crap.

mayweather was defensive in that fight. that's why dlh was able to get his shots. pac was all over his hairy ass

like i said, the weight was a factor. but not as much. the dlh that faced floyd was no different from the dlh that faced pac.... that's how i see it.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Exaclty bro, it ain't the having to fight at 147 that was the problem, it's PAC's agressiveness/relentlessness that made DLH do a "no mas". If Floyd would've followed the same script as PAC, he would've done the same thing to DLH.

I agree. There were many times when I thought if Floyd would have put the foot on the gas pedal, he could have stopped DLH, with ease. Especially once DLH stopped using his jab and was drooling by the 6th or 7th round.

That alone made the win not all that great and made it appear much closer to the judges.