My Rankings

[-Hyperion-]

calderon top 10 p4p = instant fail.........at least youre not saying your rankings are meaningful in any way though, ill give you props for that.....

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

StrawWeight
1.Roman Gonzalez 22-0-0(20KOs) WBA
2.Oleydong Sithsamerchai 32-0-0(12KOs) WBC
3.Raul Garcia 27-0-1(16KOs) IBF
4.Donie Nietes 25-1-3(14KOs) WBO
5.Nkosinathi Joyi 20-0-0(15KOs)
6.Milan Melindo 19-0-0(5KOs)
7.Juan Palacios 26-2-0(21KOs)
8.Florante Condes 23-5-1(20KOs)
9.Yusataka Kuroki 22-3-1(14KOs)
10.Katsunari Katayama 23-4-0(9KOs)

JR FlyWeight
1.Ivan Calderon 33-0-1(6KOs) WBO, The Ring
2.Edgar Sosa 37-5-0(21KOs) WBC
3.Brian Viloria 25-2-0(15KOs) IBF
4.Giovanny Segura 21-1-1(17KOs) WBA Interim
5.Ulises Solis 28-2-2(21KOs)
6.Cesar Canchilla 27-2-0(21KOs)
7.Brahim Asloum 24-2-0(10KOs) WBA Ordinary
8.Rodel Mayol 25-4-1(19KOs)
9.Juan Carlos Reveco 21-1-0(11KOs)
10.Omar Nino 28-3-1(11KOs)


FlyWeight
1.Daisuke Naito 35-2-3(22KOs) WBC
2.Omar Narvaes 30-0-2(19KOs) WBO
3.Denkaosan Kaovichit 47-1-1(20KOs)WBA
4.Takefumi Sakata 35-5-2(16KOs)
5.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 73-3-1(39KOs) WBC Interim
6.Moruti Mthalane 22-2-0(15KOs)
7.Koki Kameda 21-0-0(14KOs)
8.Cesar Seda Jr. 17-0-0(13KOs)
9.Julio Ceasar Miranda 29-3-1(22KOs)
10.Hernan Marquez 25-0-0(18K0s)

Super FlyWeight
1.Vic Darchinyan 32-2-1(26KOs) WBC,WBA
2.Alexander Munoz 33-3-0(27KOs)
3.Nobuo Nashiro 13-1-1(8KOs) WBA Ordinary
4.Marvin Sonsona 14-0-0(12KOs) WBO
5.Simphiwe Nongqayi 16-0-0(6KOs) IBF
6.Hugo Cazarez 26-5-2(19KOs)
7.Jose Lopez 39-8-2(32KOs)
8.Jorge Arce 52-6-1(40KOs)
9.Nonito Donaire 22-1-0(14KOs)
10.Drian Francisco 18-0-1(14KOs)



BantamWeight
1.Hozumi Hasegawa 27-2-0(11KOs) WBC
2.Anselmo Moreno 26-1-1(8KOs) WBA
3.Yonny Perez 20-0-0(15KOs) IBF
4.Gerry Penalosa 53-7-2(36KOs)
5.Wladimir Sidorenko 21-2-2(7KOs)
7.Nehomar Cermeno 18-0-0(10KOs) WBA Interim
7.Joseph Agbeko 27-2-0(22KOs)
8.Silence Mabuza 22-3-0(18KOs)
9.Eric Morel 41-2-0(21KOs)
10.Fernando Montiel 39-2-2(29KOs) WBO

Super BantamWeight
1.Celestino Caballero 33-2-0(23KOs) IBF,WBA
2.Juan Manuel Lopez 27-0-0(24) WBO
3.Toshiaki Nishioka 35-4-3(22KOs) WBC
4.Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym 39-1-0(28KOs) WBA Ordinary
5.Steve Molitor 30-1-0(12KOs)
6.Ricardo Cordova 34-2-2(21KOs)
7.Jeffrey Mathebula 22-2-2(12KOs)
8.Bernard Dunne 28-2-0(15KOs)
9.Antonio Escalante 22-2-0(14KOs)
10.Victor Fonseca 17-0-0(9KOs)

FeatherWeight
1.Chris John 43-0-2(22KOs) WBA
2.Steve Luevano 37-1-1(15KOs) WBO
3.Cristobal Cruz 39-11-1(23KOs)IBF
4.Elio Rojas 21-1-0(13KOs) WBC
5.Mario Santiago 21-1-1(14KOs)
6.Rocky Juarez 28-5-1(20KOs)
7.Takahiro Aoh 17-2-1(8KOs)
8.Jorge Solis 36-2-2(26KOs)
9.Yuriorkis Gamboa 16-0-0(14KOs) WBA Ordinary
10.Satoshi Hosono 16-0-0(12KOs)

Super FeatherWeight
1.Humberto Soto 48-7-2(31KOs) WBC
2.Roman Martinez 23-0-1(14KOs) WBO
3.Robert Guerrero 25-1-1(17KOs) IBF
4.Mzonke Fana 29-4-0(12KOs)
5.Juan Carlos Salgado 21-0-1(15KOs) WBA
6.Cassius Baloyi 36-4-1(19KOs)
7.Kevin Mitchell 29-0-0(22KOs)
8.Malcolm Klassen 24-5-2 (15KOs)
9.Humberto Gutierrez 26-1-(19KOs)
10.Jorge Linarez 27-1-0(18KOs)

LightWeight
1.Juan Manuel Marquez 50-5-1(37KOs) WBA,WBO, The Ring
2.Joel Casamayor 37-4-1(22KOs)
3.Ali Funeka 30-2-2 (25KOs)
4.Edwin Valero 25-0-0(25KOs) WBC
5.Michael Katsidiz 26-2-0(21KOs)
6.Paulus Moses 25-0-0(17KOs) WBA Ordinary
7.Rolando Reyes 31-4-2(20KOs)
8.Anthony Peterson 29-0-0(19KOs)
9.David Diaz 35-2-1(17KOs)
10.Antonio DeMarco 23-1-1(17KOs)

JR WelterWeight
1.Timothy Bradly 25-0-0(12KOs) WBO
2..Ricky Hatton 45-2-0(32KOs)
3..Juan Urango 22-2-1(17KOs) IBF
4.Amir Khan 21-1-0(15KOs) WBA Ordinary
5.Devon Alexander 18-0-0(12KOs) WBC
6.Marcos Maidana 26-1-0(25KOs)
7.Paulie Malignaggi 26-3-0(5KOs)
8.Juan Diaz 35-2-0(17KOs)
9.Kendall Holt 25-3-0(13KOs)
10.Lamont Peterson 27-0-0(13KOs)

WelterWeight
1.Shane Mosley 46-5-0(39KOs) WBA
2.Joshua Clottey 35-3-0(20KOs)
3.Manny Pacquiao 50-3-2(38KOs) WBO
4.Antonio Margarito 37-6-0(27KOs)
5.Miguel Cotto 34-2-0(27KOs)
6.Andre Berto 25-0-0(19KOs) WBC
7.Luis Collazo 30-4-0(15KOs)
8.Isaac Hlatswayo 29-1-1(10KOs) IBF
9.Vyacheslav Senchenko 30-0-0(20KOs) WBA Ordinary
10.Zab Judah 38-6-0(26KOs)

Super WelterWeight
1.Sergei Dzindziruk 36-0-0(22KOs) WBO
2.Cory Spinks 37-5-0(11KOs) IBF
3.Paul Williams 37-1-0(27KOs) WBO Interim
4.Sergio Martinez 44-1-1(24KOs) WBC
5.Verno Phillips 42-10-1(21KOs)
6.Yury Foreman 28-0-0(8KOs) WBA
7.Kermit Cintron 32-2-1(28KOs)
8.Sergio Mora 21-1-1(5KOs)
9.Ryan Rhodes 32-4-0(23KOs)
10.Alfredo Angulo 17-1-0(13KOs)

Middleweight
1.Kelly Pavlik 35-1-0(31KOs) WBC,WBO, The Ring
2.Felix Sturm 33-2-1(14KOs)WBA
3.Sebastian Sylvester 29-3-0(14KOs)
4.Khoren Gevor 30-4-0(15KOs)
5.Marco Antonio Rubio 43-5-1(37KOs)
6.Anthony Mundine 35-3-0(23KOs)
7.David Lopez 37-12-0(23 KOs)
8.Matthew Macklin 25-2-0(18KOs)
9.Daniel Jacobs 18-0-0(15KOs)
10.Sebastian Zbik 27-0-0 (10KOs)


Super MiddleWeight
1.Mikkel Kessler 42-1-0(32KOs) WBA
2.Lucian Bute 24-0-0(19KOs) IBF
3.Carl Froch 26-0-0(20KOs) WBC
4.Librado Andrade 28-2-0(21KOs)
5.Allen Green 29-1-0(20KOs)
6.Arthur Abraham 31-0-0(25KOs)
7.Robert Stieglitz 36-2-0(22KOs) WBO
8.Andre Ward 20-0-0(13KOs)
9.Andre Dirrell 18-1-0(13KOs)
10.Jermain Taylor 28-4-1(17KOs)


Light HeavyWeight
1.Chad Dawson 28-0-0(17KOs)
2.Bernard Hopkins 49-5-1(32KOs)
3.Zsolt Erdei 30-0-0(17Kos) WBO,
4.Glen Johnson 49-12-2(33KOs)
5.Jean Pascal 24-1-0(16KOs) WBC
6.Tarvoris Cloud 20-0-0(18KOs) IBF
7.Antonio Tarver 27-5-0(19KOs)
8.Roy Jones Jr. 53-5-0(39KOs)
9.Gabriel Campillo 18-2-0(6KOs)WBA
10.Adrian Diaconu 25-1-0(15KOs)

CruiserWeight
1.Steve Cunningham 21-2-0(11KOs)
2.Guillermo Jones 36-3-2(28KOs) WBA
3.Krzysztof Wlodarczyk 41-2-1(31KOs)
4.Giacobbe Fragomeni 26-1-1(10KOs) WBC
5.Marco Huck 26-1-0(20KOs) WBO
6.Firat Arslan 29-4-1(18KOs)
7.Ola Afolabi 14-1-3(6KOs) WBO Interim
8.Vadim Tokarev 25-1-1(19KOs)
9.Victor Ramirez 15-2-0(12KOs)
10.BJ Flores 24-0-1(15KOs)

HeavyWeight
1.Wladimir klitschko 53-3-0(47KOs) WBO,IBF,The Ring
2.Vitaly Klitschko 38-2-0(37KOs) WBC
3.Alexander Povetkin 17-0-0(12KOs)
4.Eddie Cambers 35-1-0 (18KOs)
5.David Haye 23-1-0(21KOs) WBA
6.Ruslan Changaev 25-1-1(17KOs)
7.Nikolay Valuev 50-2-0(34KOs)
8.Chris Arreola 27-1-0(24KOs)
9.John Ruiz 44-8-1(30KOs)
10.Denny Boystov 26-0-0(20KOs)

Top 10 P4P
1.Manny Pacquaio
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Juan Manuel Marquez
4.Shane Mosley
5.Bernard Hopkins
6.Israel Vazquez
7.Miguel Cotto
8.Ivan Calderon
9.Paul Williams
10.Hozumi Hazegawa

Santos, goes out of the SWW/JMW divison

Yury Foreman entes the SWW/JMW rankings at #7

Miguel Cotto drops to #5 in the WW rankings and to #8 in the P4P rankings

Manny Pacquiao leaves the JWW rankings and enters the WW rankings at #3

[Animalistic 5.0]

Santos, goes out of the SWW/JMW divison

Yury Foreman entes the SWW/JMW rankings at #7

Miguel Cotto drops to #5 in the WW rankings and to #8 in the P4P rankings

Manny Pacquiao leaves the JWW rankings and enters the WW rankings at #3

Why you still have Margarito ranked?

[SCtrojansbaby]

Clottey and Cotto over Rito? Casamayor #2 LW? Those 2 are incredible horrible rankings. The rest is solid

[oaba09]

Didn't Cotto beat mosley and clottey? Why are they ahead of manny?

[Mr. Fantastic]

Santos, goes out of the SWW/JMW divison

Yury Foreman entes the SWW/JMW rankings at #7

Miguel Cotto drops to #5 in the WW rankings and to #8 in the P4P rankings

Manny Pacquiao leaves the JWW rankings and enters the WW rankings at #3

How the fuck Clottey above Cotto and Margarito being inactive AND losing to them?? Margarito is inactive too but still.

[Silencers]

I don't think Clottey should be that high and Pacquiao should stay in the 140 pound rankings IMO, he's still the Ring champion there. Margarito shouldn't be in front of Cotto either, it's debatable to even rank him.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

StrawWeight
1.Roman Gonzalez 22-0-0(20KOs) WBA
2.Oleydong Sithsamerchai 32-0-0(12KOs) WBC
3.Raul Garcia 27-0-1(16KOs) IBF
4.Donie Nietes 25-1-3(14KOs) WBO
5.Nkosinathi Joyi 20-0-0(15KOs)
6.Milan Melindo 19-0-0(5KOs)
7.Juan Palacios 26-2-0(21KOs)
8.Florante Condes 23-5-1(20KOs)
9.Yusataka Kuroki 22-3-1(14KOs)
10.Katsunari Katayama 23-4-0(9KOs)

JR FlyWeight
1.Ivan Calderon 33-0-1(6KOs) WBO, The Ring
2.Brian Viloria 25-2-0(15KOs) IBF
3.Rodel Mayol 26-4-1(20KOs) WBC
4.Giovanny Segura 22-1-1(18KOs) WBA Interim
5.Ulises Solis 28-2-2(21KOs)
6.Cesar Canchilla 27-2-0(21KOs)
7.Edgar Sosa 37-6-0(21KOs)
8.Brahim Asloum 24-2-0(10KOs) WBA Ordinary
9.Juan Carlos Reveco 21-1-0(11KOs)
10.Omar Nino 28-3-1(11KOs)


FlyWeight
1.Daisuke Naito 35-2-3(22KOs) WBC
2.Omar Narvaes 30-0-2(19KOs) WBO
3.Denkaosan Kaovichit 47-1-1(20KOs)WBA
4.Takefumi Sakata 35-5-2(16KOs)
5.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 73-3-1(39KOs) WBC Interim
6.Moruti Mthalane 22-2-0(15KOs)
7.Koki Kameda 21-0-0(14KOs)
8.Cesar Seda Jr. 17-0-0(13KOs)
9.Julio Ceasar Miranda 29-3-1(22KOs)
10.Hernan Marquez 25-0-0(18K0s)

Super FlyWeight
1.Vic Darchinyan 32-2-1(26KOs) WBC,WBA
2.Alexander Munoz 33-3-0(27KOs)
3.Nobuo Nashiro 13-1-1(8KOs) WBA Ordinary
4.Simphiwe Nongqayi 16-0-0(6KOs) IBF
5.Hugo Cazarez 26-5-2(19KOs)
6.Jose Lopez 39-8-2(32KOs)
7.Jorge Arce 52-6-1(40KOs)
8.Nonito Donaire 22-1-0(14KOs)
9. Kohei Kono 22-4-0(8KOs)
10.Drian Francisco 18-0-1(14KOs)



BantamWeight
1.Hozumi Hasegawa 27-2-0(11KOs) WBC
2.Anselmo Moreno 26-1-1(8KOs) WBA
3.Yonny Perez 20-0-0(15KOs) IBF
4.Gerry Penalosa 53-7-2(36KOs)
5.Wladimir Sidorenko 21-2-2(7KOs)
7.Nehomar Cermeno 18-0-0(10KOs) WBA Interim
7.Joseph Agbeko 27-2-0(22KOs)
8.Silence Mabuza 22-3-0(18KOs)
9.Eric Morel 41-2-0(21KOs)
10.Fernando Montiel 39-2-2(29KOs) WBO

Super BantamWeight
1.Celestino Caballero 33-2-0(23KOs) IBF,WBA
2.Juan Manuel Lopez 27-0-0(24) WBO
3.Toshiaki Nishioka 35-4-3(22KOs) WBC
4.Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym 39-1-0(28KOs) WBA Ordinary
5.Steve Molitor 31-1-0(12KOs)
6.Ricardo Cordova 34-2-2(21KOs)
7.Jeffrey Mathebula 22-2-2(12KOs)
8.Bernard Dunne 28-2-0(15KOs)
9.Antonio Escalante 22-2-0(14KOs)
10.Victor Fonseca 17-0-0(9KOs)

FeatherWeight
1.Chris John 43-0-2(22KOs) WBA
2.Steve Luevano 37-1-1(15KOs) WBO
3.Cristobal Cruz 39-11-1(23KOs)IBF
4.Elio Rojas 21-1-0(13KOs) WBC
5.Mario Santiago 21-1-1(14KOs)
6.Rocky Juarez 28-5-1(20KOs)
7.Takahiro Aoh 17-2-1(8KOs)
8.Jorge Solis 36-2-2(26KOs)
9.Yuriorkis Gamboa 16-0-0(14KOs) WBA Ordinary
10.Satoshi Hosono 16-0-0(12KOs)

Super FeatherWeight
1.Humberto Soto 48-7-2(31KOs) WBC
2.Roman Martinez 23-0-1(14KOs) WBO
3.Robert Guerrero 25-1-1(17KOs) IBF
4.Mzonke Fana 29-4-0(12KOs)
5.Juan Carlos Salgado 21-0-1(15KOs) WBA
6.Cassius Baloyi 36-4-1(19KOs)
7.Kevin Mitchell 29-0-0(22KOs)
8.Malcolm Klassen 24-5-2 (15KOs)
9.Humberto Gutierrez 26-1-(19KOs)
10.Jorge Linarez 27-1-0(18KOs)

LightWeight
1.Juan Manuel Marquez 50-5-1(37KOs) WBA,WBO, The Ring
2.Joel Casamayor 37-4-1(22KOs)
3.Ali Funeka 30-2-2 (25KOs)
4.Edwin Valero 25-0-0(25KOs) WBC
5.Michael Katsidiz 26-2-0(21KOs)
6.Paulus Moses 25-0-0(17KOs) WBA Ordinary
7.Rolando Reyes 31-4-2(20KOs)
8.Anthony Peterson 29-0-0(19KOs)
9.David Diaz 35-2-1(17KOs)
10.Antonio DeMarco 23-1-1(17KOs)

JR WelterWeight
1.Timothy Bradly 25-0-0(12KOs) WBO
2..Ricky Hatton 45-2-0(32KOs)
3..Juan Urango 22-2-1(17KOs) IBF
4.Amir Khan 21-1-0(15KOs) WBA Ordinary
5.Devon Alexander 18-0-0(12KOs) WBC
6.Marcos Maidana 27-1-0(26KOs)
7.Paulie Malignaggi 26-3-0(5KOs)
8.Juan Diaz 35-2-0(17KOs)
9.Kendall Holt 25-3-0(13KOs)
10.Lamont Peterson 27-0-0(13KOs)

WelterWeight
1.Shane Mosley 46-5-0(39KOs) WBA
2.Joshua Clottey 35-3-0(20KOs)
3.Manny Pacquiao 50-3-2(38KOs) WBO
4.Antonio Margarito 37-6-0(27KOs)
5.Miguel Cotto 34-2-0(27KOs)
6.Andre Berto 25-0-0(19KOs) WBC
7.Luis Collazo 30-4-0(15KOs)
8.Isaac Hlatswayo 29-1-1(10KOs) IBF
9.Vyacheslav Senchenko 30-0-0(20KOs) WBA Ordinary
10.Zab Judah 38-6-0(26KOs)

Super WelterWeight
1.Sergei Dzindziruk 36-0-0(22KOs) WBO
2.Cory Spinks 37-5-0(11KOs) IBF
3.Paul Williams 37-1-0(27KOs) WBO Interim
4.Sergio Martinez 44-1-1(24KOs) WBC
5.Verno Phillips 42-10-1(21KOs)
6.Yury Foreman 28-0-0(8KOs) WBA
7.Kermit Cintron 32-2-1(28KOs)
8.Sergio Mora 21-1-1(5KOs)
9.Ryan Rhodes 32-4-0(23KOs)
10.Alfredo Angulo 17-1-0(13KOs)

Middleweight
1.Kelly Pavlik 35-1-0(31KOs) WBC,WBO, The Ring
2.Felix Sturm 33-2-1(14KOs)WBA
3.Sebastian Sylvester 29-3-0(14KOs)
4.Khoren Gevor 30-4-0(15KOs)
5.Marco Antonio Rubio 43-5-1(37KOs)
6.Anthony Mundine 35-3-0(23KOs)
7.David Lopez 37-12-0(23 KOs)
8.Matthew Macklin 25-2-0(18KOs)
9.Daniel Jacobs 18-0-0(15KOs)
10.Sebastian Zbik 27-0-0 (10KOs)


Super MiddleWeight
1.Lucian Bute 24-0-0(19KOs) IBF
2.Carl Froch 26-0-0(20KOs) WBC
3.Andre Ward 21-0-0(13KOs) WBA
4.Mikkel Kessler 42-2-0(32KOs)
5.Librado Andrade 28-2-0(21KOs)
6.Allen Green 29-1-0(20KOs)
7.Arthur Abraham 31-0-0(25KOs)
8.Robert Stieglitz 36-2-0(22KOs) WBO
9.Andre Dirrell 18-1-0(13KOs)
10.Jermain Taylor 28-4-1(17KOs)


Light HeavyWeight
1.Chad Dawson 29-0-0(17KOs)
2.Bernard Hopkins 49-5-1(32KOs)
3.Jean Pascal 24-1-0(16KOs) WBC
4.Tarvoris Cloud 20-0-0(18KOs) IBF
5.Glen Johnson 49-13-2(33KOs)
6.Antonio Tarver 27-5-0(19KOs)
7.Roy Jones Jr. 53-5-0(39KOs)
8.Gabriel Campillo 18-2-0(6KOs)WBA
9.Yusaf Mack 27-2-2(16KOs)
10.Adrian Diaconu 25-1-0(15KOs)

CruiserWeight
1.Steve Cunningham 21-2-0(11KOs)
2.Guillermo Jones 36-3-2(28KOs) WBA
3.Krzysztof Wlodarczyk 41-2-1(31KOs)
4.Marco Huck 26-1-0(20KOs) WBO
5. Zsolt Erdei 31-0-0(17KOs) WBC
6.Firat Arslan 29-4-1(18KOs)
7.Giacobbe Fragomeni 26-2-1(10KOs)
8.Ola Afolabi 14-1-3(6KOs) WBO Interim
9.Vadim Tokarev 25-1-1(19KOs)
10.BJ Flores 24-0-1(15KOs)

HeavyWeight
1.Wladimir klitschko 53-3-0(47KOs) WBO,IBF,The Ring
2.Vitaly Klitschko 38-2-0(37KOs) WBC
3.Alexander Povetkin 17-0-0(12KOs)
4.Eddie Cambers 35-1-0 (18KOs)
5.David Haye 23-1-0(21KOs) WBA
6.Ruslan Changaev 25-1-1(17KOs)
7.Nikolay Valuev 50-2-0(34KOs)
8.Chris Arreola 27-1-0(24KOs)
9.John Ruiz 44-8-1(30KOs)
10.Denny Boystov 26-0-0(20KOs)

Top 10 P4P
1.Manny Pacquaio
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Juan Manuel Marquez
4.Shane Mosley
5.Bernard Hopkins
6.Israel Vazquez
7.Miguel Cotto
8.Ivan Calderon
9.Paul Williams
10.Hozumi Hazegawa

Update!!!!




Rodel Mayol moves up to #3 in the JR FlyWeight division.
Edgard Sosa moves down to #7 in the JR FlyWeight division

Marvin Sonsona goes out of the Super Flyweight Rankings

Ander Ward moves up to #3 in the Super MiddleWeight division.
Mikkerl Kessler Moves down to #4 in the Super MiddleWeight division


Zsolt Erdei enters the CruiserWeight rankings at #5
Giacobbe Fraggomeni Moves down to #7 in the CruiserWeight Division




Marcos Maidana won bu firt round Ko against Willy Gonzalez
Steve Molitor won a UD in Canada!!!

[peyk-peyk]

Didn't Cotto beat mosley and clottey? Why are they ahead of manny?

^^^^^^What's your answer here Ch@mp?^^^^^^^^^^

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

^^^^^^What's your answer here Ch@mp?^^^^^^^^^^

Tha Mosley was ranked numer 2 in My rankings and since manny eat the number one who was Cotto the Mosley moves up to numer 1, ecause I never give a guy who enters a division the top spot unless he wins the lineal title.

And Clottey lost a close fight with Cotto. While Cotto got stomped y a guy comming up in weight.


I take into account how the fight goesmagainst who and how and in what circumstance, when ranking!!!