Mayweather Jr. vs. JCC***(Prime for Prime)))

[DUnknown1]

The second fight was more like 10-2. It just like Pernell saying he will lose to Oscar because of bull**** judges.

So what JCC fought past 30, does it change the fact he quit.

100 fights. How many of those 100 fights were BUMS and nobodies.

Should we feel sorry for a quitter because he engaged in a war? Laughable

Right...
I guess ducking opponents is more honorable.

[Steak]

A B-level fighter(Randall) made Chavez QUIT..!!..LOL

Chavez padded his record with C and D level fighters and he struggled with Giovanni Parrissi...LOL

wait, what the...are you serious? Chavez won every round and dropped Parisi with a jab in the 2nd round...
Where the hell do you get this stuff, haha. of all fights to choose from.

and actually, apart from the fact that Chavez was going downhill in the Randall fights, I would choose that version of Randall over Castillo. hell, I would choose that version of Randall over most of the 140lbers and even 147lbers today.

You have a point with movers troubling Duran, but we should not forget that he always got the job done (and not in some half ass, or split decision result), except against the very elite and in higher weight classes.

We have had our debate on this fantasy mathcup in the other section, so I will refrain from anything else about this in here.

aye, Duran was overall just too good when he was focused. even if his style and mindset didnt work well against movers, he still got the job done in most cases, and thats what matters the most.

and yea, I think we exhausted our discussion in the FF section. It basically turned into 'The weight difference made a big difference in the Castillo fight' and 'It didnt make that big of a difference' over and over again.

I dont think anyone actually comes into these discussions and changes their mind about who they think would win, haha. but I still enjoy talking about them all the same.

[DUnknown1]

Mayweather throws a lot of punches at 135 and below. Mayweather lets his hand go against peiple his size.

That's funny, didn't you guys just say that floyd was a defensive fighter, Chavez welcomed any fighter to go toe to toe with him often obliterating them.
So get that thought out of your mind that Mayweather would punish and knock out JCC.
The only way I see him winning is by dancing around the ring.

Again the only department Pernell beats Floyd is defense. Floyd is faster stronger better power better chin.

Since Floyd is a defensive fighter that rarely gets hit flush, I don't see your logic in saying that Mayweather has a good chin. And this is what really makes me think you are a nuthuger.
Floyd may be stronger than Pernell, but he is no way near as fast as Pernell was in his prime.

How is Castillo B+ when he was in the P4P ranking for a while. He is a B+ fighter after he lost to Mayweather lol

Therefore if you just admit castillo was a good fighter you also have to admit that JCC was an even better fighter. And please stop trying to underrate Castillo's first fight. If he had "a broken rib" is because he got hit during the fight and should have used is "defensive skills" to protect himself.

On a final note, some people say chavez is the smaller fighter and was no where near as big as Castillo, however what they fail to realize that Chavez was almost always the smaller guy and that did not stop him from hurting a lot of boxers. Size means nothing in this sport.

[Deja_Vous]

Right...
I guess ducking opponents is more honorable.

I guess quitting and padding records is more honarable in your ****ty eyes.

[DUnknown1]

i dont know if i have said dis b4 but i like guys

[Deja_Vous]

wait, what the...are you serious? Chavez won every round and dropped Parisi with a jab in the 2nd round...
Where the hell do you get this stuff, haha. of all fights to choose from.

and actually, apart from the fact that Chavez was going downhill in the Randall fights, I would choose that version of Randall over Castillo. hell, I would choose that version of Randall over most of the 140lbers and even 147lbers today.



aye, Duran was overall just too good when he was focused. even if his style and mindset didnt work well against movers, he still got the job done in most cases, and thats what matters the most.

and yea, I think we exhausted our discussion in the FF section. It basically turned into 'The weight difference made a big difference in the Castillo fight' and 'It didnt make that big of a difference' over and over again.

I dont think anyone actually comes into these discussions and changes their mind about who they think would win, haha. but I still enjoy talking about them all the same.

I was just responding to that fool that claimed Floyd struggled with Judah.

As for Chavez already dowhill vs Randall

Well that's an EXCUSE people always use..

NOBODY was singing that tune BEFORE the Randall fight..so no sense saying so afterwards.

[Steak]

I was just responding to that fool that claimed Floyd struggled with Judah.

As for Chavez already dowhill vs Randall

Well that's an EXCUSE people always use..

NOBODY was singing that tune BEFORE the Randall fight..so no sense saying so afterwards.

I wouldnt say that Floyd struggled with Judah, since he took over the fight around the 5th round...but until then, he wasnt doing all that great.

and yes, people were saying Chavez was slowing down before the Randall fight. I believe the commentary said it in his fight with Andy Holligan, which was the fight right before the Randall fight, and the commentary might have even mentioned it during the Whitaker fight.

all fighters slow down. Not many people probebly thought that Whitaker was going downhill leading up to the Wilfredo Rivera fight, and yet Pernell ended up having a controversial fight with him. I think its pretty clear he had started to fade by then.

[Ryn0]

Mayweather throws a lot of punches at 135 and below. Mayweather lets his hand go against peiple his size.




Again the only department Pernell beats Floyd is defense. Floyd is faster stronger better power better chin.




How is Castillo B+ when he was in the P4P ranking for a while. He is a B+ fighter after he lost to Mayweather lol

Castillo is B+ when considering great fighters, if Chavez is an A+ and Floyd is an A+ how the hell would you rate Castillo a A?

Anyway, I take Floyd SD at 135. Chavez had a granite chin and would get to putting controlled pressure on Floyd like Castillo did. It would be close but I see Floyd pulling out the SD if he runs. If he stays in the pocket though against a body/head puncher like Chavez then it could go real bad for Floyd in the later rounds. I think Floyd would be smart enough to know not to stay in the pocket and fight on the outside.

[El Jesus]

Chavez may have had a great chin but it didn't look good for him to be taking all of those punches, and with Mayweather's hand speed, boxing ability and accuracy, he would land a lot. Floyd in those days was quick enough to land on opponents at will that actually had a good defense. Watch the first few rounds of Chavez/Taylor, Taylor wasn't volume punching early. He was using simple foot speed and counter punching ability, and even with his lack of a big punch he was making Chavez hesitant, miss, countering effectively and was controlling the fight. The only problem that he had was when he began to get overconfident and trade with Julio, and that led to him being slowly busted up and broke down. Look for Floyd to be on his P's and Q's for the full 12 rounds, tying up and staying outside Chavez's punching range. He was much better disciplined than that.

Also, Whitaker dropped Chavez but it must have not been ruled a knockdown, that just goes along with all of the other controversy in that fight, curtsy of Don King. I haven't seen the fight in a good while but from what i remember, he floored him with a right hook and he seemed fazed by it, and early when Chavez didn't show any respect, Pernell put some snap behind some of those punches and stung Chavez a bit. Of course he wasn't seriously hurt, although it definitely made him think twice about coming in reckless and Floyd punched a lot harder than both Taylor and Whitaker. He had the power to hurt Chavez.



Chavez was good at slipping the punches of more limited and slower moving opponents hooks. I have analyzed Whitaker/Chavez and Taylor/Chavez and at no point did i see an underrated defense by Chavez. He was hit more than he slipped in both of those fights. Against someone with the speed, fluency and accuracy of Mayweather, he would get hit and a lot. Floyd was good at pot shoting smaller fighters and brilliant at controlling distance. I think Chavez would have his moments with Floyd occasionally as he momentarily backed on the ropes going into his traditional shoulder roll, but on the outside it would be a technical mismatch in favor of Floyd. Also, not to be using excuses or anything but i think Merchant made a great point in Castillo/Mayweather I. He said that Floyd came in thinking that Castillo would be an easy target and that he would be able to pot shot him at will, which is why i think he often looked confused and failed on many occasions to try to find a way in. Chavez gives you much more opportunities as he crouches his head down and comes in squared up in front of you. Castillo used his long left jab to smartly work his way in instead.




I asked what speedster of high caliber fighter that Chavez beat that would indicate him beating someone with the boxing brain or hand speed of Floyd in his prime? and Castillo was definitely a huge lightweight and Chavez IMO always seemed extra small to me anyway. Whitaker started his career at lightweight and even when he was at welterweight, it seemed he had a considerable size advantage over Chavez. Castillio was very big and it shows when Mayweather had trouble fighting him off or even clinching at some points, he was strong enough to push back off and go right back to work. Also, Chavez may be able to push Mayweather back but he wouldn't be as strong in the clinches and wouldn't be able to elude well enough to have Mayweather think about being countered, the way Castillo did.



That video actually supported what i was referring to. Castillo used his long arms to jab his way in and even somewhat had success in the middle of the ring as well because of it. Chavez does not bring that.

And yeah i should have been sleep a while back also, its like 6:19am but i don't mind hanging for a good debate.

Truthfully this is something i never noticed about castillo and chavez, the differences you illustrated are very key, it takes alot of thought and investigation to notice that.

[Steak]

Chavez actually dipped his head like that to invite a punch, but would spring out the way and close the distance after his opponent had missed the shot. it wasnt a problem with his style, it was a setup, like how Mayweather leaves his left hand down sometimes.

Meldrick Taylor was throwing 80+ punches since the first round. thats what made Chavez hesitant, not the boxing. besides, Chavez was always a slow starter. Mayweather is not that kind of a combination puncher.

I have seen the Chavez-Whitaker fight a few times, there was no knockdown at all, and Chavez was never hurt. just tired.

Floyd did not have the power to trouble Castillo, he definately aint hurtin Chavez either.

Castillo had a 1 inch reach advantage over Chavez. thats it. and that really doesnt matter when Chavez had an easier time getting closer to opponents anyway. Chavez didnt have as long of a jab, but he used his jab as more of a lead left hand, which not only could bother his opponent but got him much closer to them, more so than Castillo's left jab.