Why didnt Barrera pull out before 4?

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  • Davros?
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    #11
    Originally posted by jching
    Because he's Mexican and Mexicans never quit! lol
    that is not what i am saying how many more times do i have to say that. I was taliking about the corner not Barrera.
    Last edited by Davros?; 03-15-2009, 08:19 AM.

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    • Davros?
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      #12
      Originally posted by The Surgeon
      No it would have been a TKO loss only the doctor or ref can stop it based on a cut without it going down as a TKO, Barrera wanted the doc to stop it
      yeah but if they pull him out because of the cut wouldnt it be classed as a NC like Rahman Toney 2?

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      • The_Visitation
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        #13
        Originally posted by DavrosPremuleas
        yeah but if they pull him out because of the cut wouldnt it be classed as a NC like Rahman Toney 2?
        No. If his corner pulled him when the referee and doctor would otherwise let him continue it's a loss, not a NC. Of course, that still raises a conveniently forgotten question. The purpose of stopping the fight for a cut has nothing to do with the result being 'unfair' in any way, it is because there is an unacceptable risk to the health of the boxer. If it was was so obvious that the fight should have been stopped then Barrera's corner should have thrown in the towel anyway. Remember, his corner knew more about the extent of the damage and the affect it was having on Barrera than either the referee or the doctor.
        Last edited by The_Visitation; 03-15-2009, 08:28 AM.

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        • The Surgeon
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          #14
          Originally posted by DavrosPremuleas
          yeah but if they pull him out because of the cut wouldnt it be classed as a NC like Rahman Toney 2?
          No Rahman got the doc to stop the fight. If the corner pull u out for any reason its a TKO loss, If the doc stoped it before the 5th it was a NC, after the 4th it go's to the cards

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          • The Surgeon
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            #15
            Originally posted by The_Visitation
            Yeah. If his corner pulled him when the referee and doctor would otherwise let him continue it's a loss, not a NC. Of course, that still raises a conveniently forgotten question. The purpose of stopping the fight for a cut has nothing to do with the result being 'unfair' in any way, it is because there is an unacceptable risk to the health of the boxer. If it was was so obvious that the fight should have been stopped then Barrera's corner should have throwbn in the towel regardless.
            I think it was allowed to continue (by the ref and doc) as it was in the UK and gave Amir a win instead of a NC

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            • Davros?
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              #16
              Originally posted by The Surgeon
              I think it was allowed to continue (by the ref and doc) as it was in the UK and gave Amir a win instead of a NC
              Yeah your right im hving brain fade this morning due to excessive magners last night, the doctor could have stopped it in the 4th when the blood was pumping out.

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              • The_Visitation
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                #17
                Originally posted by The Surgeon
                I think it was allowed to continue (by the ref and doc) as it was in the UK and gave Amir a win instead of a NC
                I disagree, I don't think it would have gone down differently anywhere else. The ref first gave the corner the chance to do something with it. When it was obvious they couldn't do much, he called in the doctor and then asked Barrera if he wished to continue. He did. The doctor was then called in a second time, and he stopped the fight. If you think about it, how many times have we seen that - the doc lets it continue on the first referral to him, but stops it on the second? Being in the UK had nothing to do with it.

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                • Silencers
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                  #18
                  If the corner stopped the fight it would have been a TKO win for Khan.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by The_Visitation
                    I disagree, I don't think it would have gone down differently anywhere else. The ref first gave the corner the chance to do something with it. When it was obvious they couldn't do much, he called in the doctor and then asked Barrera if he wished to continue. He did. The doctor was then called in a second time, and he stopped the fight. If you think about it, how many times have we seen that - the doc lets it continue on the first referral to him, but stops it on the second? Being in the UK had nothing to do with it.
                    Ahh Mabey ur right, when u break it down in black and white it seems like that but i just had that feeling u know

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                    • El Alacrán
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                      #20
                      Because he is a warrior. He dosent believe in ever quitting. You shouldnt ever ask a question like this to a mexican fighter.

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