Paul Williams is Willing To Return To Welterweight

[yesihavearm]

the real reason none of the TOP WELTERS want to fight williams is because he doesnt bring **** to the table in economics terms!!

and that sucks! cos i have mad respect for williams!!! great fighter!! that is making a name by him self... by facing the best!! but that doesnt change the fact.. that for any fu cking reason!! his fanss doesnt stand up with him... and $upport him as he deserve!!!

Good post, Williams brings a lot of risk vs reward. I think Williams if he beats Winky should take the short money vs Pavlik knowing that if he wins that he can demand the BIG paydays from there off in.

[mellow_mood]

Goossen offered Marg $4 million to fight him but he fought Mosely for $2 million instead.

is not like he offered 4 millions... i dont know how things works exactly.... if somebody can help me with this i will appreciate..


but i think that what that really ment. .was that he was putting 4 millions for the show budget..... not that he was granting margie 4 millions....


like I say... dont know much about that... so if anybody can elaborate more I will appreciate!!

[mellow_mood]

Good post, Williams brings a lot of risk vs reward. I think Williams if he beats Winky should take the short money vs Pavlik knowing that if he wins that he can demand the BIG paydays from there off in.

i was recalling this fight yesterday! but cant remember who was.. but i think it was the gambler.. told me .. that since williams is with al haymon... and kelly with arum... is a hard fight to 2.. cos they dont do business together!!

[Dave Rado]

is not like he offered 4 millions... i dont know how things works exactly.... if somebody can help me with this i will appreciate..


but i think that what that really ment. .was that he was putting 4 millions for the show budget..... not that he was granting margie 4 millions....


like I say... dont know much about that... so if anybody can elaborate more I will appreciate!!

No, see here:

At one point, Williams’ promoter, Dan Goossen, tried to make the rematch by making Margarito an offer of $4 million dollars. The offer, sent over to Bob Arum of Top Rank, was never passed on to Margarito’s team. Last November, Sergio Diaz, Margarito’s co-manager, told BoxingScene.com that he was unaware of any $4 million dollar offer for a Williams rematch. Diaz approached Top Rank about the Williams rematch, and Arum denied the existence of such an offer.

"We spoke to our promoter about the Williams fight and no formal offer was ever made. I can go on the Internet and say we offered any amount of money for whatever fighter. Bob told us there was no formal offer made — it was just an Internet offer," Diaz said.

Top Rank president Todd duBoef, echoed Diaz’s statements during an interview with Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. During his conversation with Iole, duBoef said there "never was a Williams offer."

Iole did some digging and received two hard pieces of evidence from Dan Goossen. The first was a letter dated July 31, which Goossen sent to Arum. In the letter, Goossen offered Margarito "a minimum guarantee of $4 million against 50 percent of net revenues to Top Rank/Margarito."

The second piece of evidence was a letter dated August 4, rejecting Goossen’s offer. Arum tried to make a fight between Williams and Pavlik, but the two sides were never able to reach an agreement. More so than the experience from the Pavlik negotiations, Arum refused to do business with Williams’ advisor Al Haymon.

"Thank you for your letter of July 31, 2008 regarding Paul Williams. After the terrible experience I was subjected to by Paul Williams, his camp and advisor in connection with a (Kelly) Pavlik fight, I have absolutely no intention whatsoever to be involved in any fight with Mr. Williams. Accordingly, your proposal is in all respects rejected and I would request that you do no contact me again regarding Mr. Williams," Arum wrote in the letter.

As early as November, Top Rank was laying the groundwork for Margarito’s 2009 experience. A fight with Shane Mosley in January, a rematch with Miguel Cotto in June, and a possible third fight at the end of the year. Most were anticipating, or at least hoping, that Williams would become the year-end opponent for 09.

When Margarito stepped in the ring to fight Mosley, he was a 4-1 favorite to win. There were very few who gave Mosley a respectable shot to win the fight.

Williams thought Mosley would beat Margarito, but even he was surprised with the one-sided nature of the fight. Williams told BoxingScene.com that Margarito is done as a top fighter. Over the years, Margarito has been involved in a number of wars. Williams credits those wars as the contributing factors to Margarito’s physical decline against Mosley.

“I'm sure Margarito wishes he took that deal now. He would have still lost but at least he would have went to the bank. Instead he lost his title, his pride and $2 million dollars [Margarito made $2.3 for Mosley]. I thought Molsey would win. I though Mosley would win the first seven rounds and Margarito would come on late, but after I saw him taking all of those punches - I knew it was just a matter of time,” Williams said.

To be fair to Marg, it seems to be more due to Arum's dislike for Goossen than anything else. I blame Arum mostly, and I also blame Arum mostly for the fact that Clottey-Williams didn't happen - they say HBO killed it, but Arum could have done it on another network or on PPV, but he just didn't want to deal with Goossen, it seems.

[Deja_Vous]

No, see here:

At one point, Williams’ promoter, Dan Goossen, tried to make the rematch by making Margarito an offer of $4 million dollars. The offer, sent over to Bob Arum of Top Rank, was never passed on to Margarito’s team. Last November, Sergio Diaz, Margarito’s co-manager, told BoxingScene.com that he was unaware of any $4 million dollar offer for a Williams rematch. Diaz approached Top Rank about the Williams rematch, and Arum denied the existence of such an offer.

"We spoke to our promoter about the Williams fight and no formal offer was ever made. I can go on the Internet and say we offered any amount of money for whatever fighter. Bob told us there was no formal offer made — it was just an Internet offer," Diaz said.

Top Rank president Todd duBoef, echoed Diaz’s statements during an interview with Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. During his conversation with Iole, duBoef said there "never was a Williams offer."

Iole did some digging and received two hard pieces of evidence from Dan Goossen. The first was a letter dated July 31, which Goossen sent to Arum. In the letter, Goossen offered Margarito "a minimum guarantee of $4 million against 50 percent of net revenues to Top Rank/Margarito."

The second piece of evidence was a letter dated August 4, rejecting Goossen’s offer. Arum tried to make a fight between Williams and Pavlik, but the two sides were never able to reach an agreement. More so than the experience from the Pavlik negotiations, Arum refused to do business with Williams’ advisor Al Haymon.

"Thank you for your letter of July 31, 2008 regarding Paul Williams. After the terrible experience I was subjected to by Paul Williams, his camp and advisor in connection with a (Kelly) Pavlik fight, I have absolutely no intention whatsoever to be involved in any fight with Mr. Williams. Accordingly, your proposal is in all respects rejected and I would request that you do no contact me again regarding Mr. Williams," Arum wrote in the letter.

As early as November, Top Rank was laying the groundwork for Margarito’s 2009 experience. A fight with Shane Mosley in January, a rematch with Miguel Cotto in June, and a possible third fight at the end of the year. Most were anticipating, or at least hoping, that Williams would become the year-end opponent for 09.

When Margarito stepped in the ring to fight Mosley, he was a 4-1 favorite to win. There were very few who gave Mosley a respectable shot to win the fight.

Williams thought Mosley would beat Margarito, but even he was surprised with the one-sided nature of the fight. Williams told BoxingScene.com that Margarito is done as a top fighter. Over the years, Margarito has been involved in a number of wars. Williams credits those wars as the contributing factors to Margarito’s physical decline against Mosley.

“I'm sure Margarito wishes he took that deal now. He would have still lost but at least he would have went to the bank. Instead he lost his title, his pride and $2 million dollars [Margarito made $2.3 for Mosley]. I thought Molsey would win. I though Mosley would win the first seven rounds and Margarito would come on late, but after I saw him taking all of those punches - I knew it was just a matter of time,” Williams said.

There it is again..lol

[mellow_mood]

thanks for sharing...

let me read!!!

[mellow_mood]

yeahh!!

this was margies case... it seems like an obvious duck!



plus the **** with arum.. not doing business.....

thats why i made this thread

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=201009

[mellow_mood]

we know that arum aint doing business with al haymon!

soo,,,,


why dont goosen makes the same offer to sugar shane??

i heard some ppl say that mosley also is ducking williams...

[letcher]

mosley don't want none

I heard Mosley on the radio here in L.A. after his fight with Margarito and he said he would not consider fighting Williams because PWill is just too big.

[Deja_Vous]

I heard Mosley on the radio here in L.A. after his fight with Margarito and he said he would not consider fighting Williams because PWill is just too big.

Damn Shane.

Flashbacks of Vernon Forrest I suppose.