Douglas doesn't get nearly enough credit for the Tyson victory

[ßringer]

with all that said Buster lost... long count in the 8th.... and im FROM Columbus so im not a hater

I can agree with that, I felt that the count was a little on the long side myself. But that's not James' fault (not saying you said it was), the fault lies with the referee.

I look at it this way : If I'm a professional boxer, and I get knocked on my ass, and I'm on ***** street, I'm going by the referee's count. There's no way in hell I'm counting 8 to myself and then jumping up to continue, so if it's a slow count, I'll take that extra time to recover.

Not saying it's right or wrong, but it happens.

[TheGreatA]

Douglas himself said that he was "in a zone". He was never able to duplicate that performance.

I think that Douglas would trouble a lot of great fighters, especially if they did not take him seriously as Tyson didn't.

The long count is nothing but a myth and an excuse and it has been proven wrong many times.

[ßringer]

Probably because he reverted to a bum immediately afterward. That heart he showed sure wasn't there against Holyfield.

I think that night was Buster's peak. The most he was ever going to be capable of, in his entire career.

He owes a lot of that to Mike Tyson's lack of preparation.

[TheGreatA]

[ßringer]

Douglas himself said that he was "in a zone". He was never able to duplicate that performance.

I think that Douglas would trouble a lot of great fighters, especially if they did not take him seriously as Tyson didn't.

The long count is nothing but a myth and an excuse and it has been proven wrong many times.

Even the viewer could pick up on Douglas being "in a zone", so to speak. The best way I can think of, to describe him that night, is a man possessed, as I said earlier.

He would've given anybody major problems that night, even an completely focused, prime Mike.

[KingTito]

I agree. Douglas wouldn't be stopped that night.

[ßringer]

Great videos Manchine. It seems like you always manage to dig up some gems that are relevant to the topic of discussion.

[Xyei]

That's what I'm getting at. Surely Tyson's lack of focus, training, and sexual activities were a contributing factor to his loss.

But damnit Douglas put in some serious work on his own end, and he deserves a little bit of credit for it.

I saw a documentary on ESPN about this. Douglass' mother had just died and in his mind, there was no way he was losing that fight. His determination is what won the fight and he forever exposed Mike Tyson's mental weakness on that night. People don't like to give Douglass credit because he was a hit or miss fighter. He either came in in shape and did well or came in out of shape and fought like **** throughout his career. On the night that he beat Tyson, he was at his best and Mike Tyson probably underestimated him.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Even the viewer could pick up on Douglas being "in a zone", so to speak. The best way I can think of, to describe him that night, is a man possessed, as I said earlier.

He would've given anybody major problems that night, even an completely focused, prime Mike.

For all Mike's talent, it never hurt him that men --- big, strong heavyweight bruisers --- were in fear of him before a punch was thrown. Just from the aura of menace, the rep and what they'd seen.

Nothing Tyson inflicted on Douglas would be worse than the loss of his ma. You gotta wonder how much that fearlessness, lack of inhibition, whatever, assisted him on the night.




I once thought of taking footage and stills from Douglas-Tyson and setting them to 'Mama's Dead' from Black Caesar in tribute. Didn't get around to it yet.

[ßringer]

For all Mike's talent, it never hurt him that men --- big, strong heavyweight bruisers --- were in fear of him before a punch was thrown. Just from the aura of menace, the rep and what they'd seen.

Nothing Tyson inflicted on Douglas would be worse than the loss of his ma. You gotta wonder how much that fearlessness, lack of inhibition, whatever, assisted him on the night.




I once thought of taking footage and stills from Douglas-Tyson and setting them to 'Mama's Dead' from Black Caesar in tribute. Didn't get around to it yet.

Great post. Douglas had already lost the most important thing in his life, prior to that fight. He damn sure wasn't going to be intimidated by Tyson, not on that night.

If you ever get around to making that tribute, drop me a line either in PM or on my profile comments with a link.