Fantasy Match-up: '86 Hagler vs '00 Hopkins

[sunny31]

I went for hopkins by decision mainly based on his defensive abilities, and as b-hop has only really lost to elite fighters who are faster than him, and i don't think hagler is faster than him. But hagler is a truly exceptional fighter with attributes that hopkins has never encountered

[BG_Knocc_Out]

I'd say Hagler. I just don't see Hopkins landing or throwing anything effective against Hagler. As someone noted earlier, Hopkins is bigger, slicker, and quicker than Hagler. But so was Hearns, and Hearns was all three on much higher levels than Hopkins (maybe not the slick part), and Hagler overcame that. Now what alot of people haven't ever noted is how well Hagler can penetrate deffenses, and I think that would definitely work well against Hopkins. I say Hagler wins by 4-6 rounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZHIo5ylQA8

[drinkxerox]

As someone noted earlier, Hopkins is bigger, slicker, and quicker than Hagler. But so was Hearns, and Hearns was all three on much higher levels than Hopkins (maybe not the slick part), and Hagler overcame that..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZHIo5ylQA8

obv, but Hearns squared up and brawled - haglers kind of fight - not utilizing his speed, slickness, size and reach advantage. straying from the gameplan and not executing it is something that Hopkins wont do - so the "if A beat B, then A has to beat C" way of thinking is moot.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

obv, but Hearns squared up and brawled - haglers kind of fight - not utilizing his speed, slickness, size and reach advantage. straying from the gameplan and not executing it is something that Hopkins wont do - so the "if A beat B, then A has to beat C" way of thinking is moot.

The only attribute that wouldn't be in effect in the brawl that I mentioned is being slick. Being the bigger man and being quicker both obviously still come into play in brawls. What I'm saying is, being bigger and faster will not phase Hagler at all.

[larryx]

I'd say Hagler. I just don't see Hopkins landing or throwing anything effective against Hagler. As someone noted earlier, Hopkins is bigger, slicker, and quicker than Hagler. But so was Hearns, and Hearns was all three on much higher levels than Hopkins (maybe not the slick part), and Hagler overcame that. Now what alot of people haven't ever noted is how well Hagler can penetrate deffenses, and I think that would definitely work well against Hopkins. I say Hagler wins by 4-6 rounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZHIo5ylQA8

tell me you didnt compare hearns to hopkins..hearns was there to be hit and selected to brawl with hagler..hopkins is to smart for that

[larryx]

hopkins is one of the smartest boxers ever..

[BG_Knocc_Out]

tell me you didnt compare hearns to hopkins..hearns was there to be hit and selected to brawl with hagler..hopkins is to smart for that

No, I did not entirely compare them, think before you read. I compared 3 different attributes between Hopkins and Hearns, not as fighters. How was Hearns there to hit? The only fight I can think of off the top of my head where he did that was Hagler, other then that he did well with range and utilizing his reach. Sit the **** down.

[P4P GOAT]

I'd say Hagler. I just don't see Hopkins landing or throwing anything effective against Hagler. As someone noted earlier, Hopkins is bigger, slicker, and quicker than Hagler. But so was Hearns, and Hearns was all three on much higher levels than Hopkins (maybe not the slick part), and Hagler overcame that. Now what alot of people haven't ever noted is how well Hagler can penetrate deffenses, and I think that would definitely work well against Hopkins. I say Hagler wins by 4-6 rounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZHIo5ylQA8

I dont think Hearns is bigger than Hagler. Hopkins has a much better chin than Hearns too. Not to mention a better game plan. Hopkins studies his opponents and sticks to his game plan.

Hearns has an edge in speed, power over Hopkins and maybe offensively he is better, but i think Hopkins skillset is much more useful against a guy like Hagler.

You want to avoid the bullet with Hagler not fight him head on. That is why i believe Hopkins would beat him. Or at least have a better shot than Hearns.

[larryx]

No, I did not entirely compare them, think before you read. I compared 3 different attributes between Hopkins and Hearns, not as fighters. How was Hearns there to hit? The only fight I can think of off the top of my head where he did that was Hagler, other then that he did well with range and utilizing his reach. Sit the **** down.

man why are you cursing at me like a school child..im trying to have a intellegant conversation like a man..where in my post did i curse or disrespect you??hearns was far from a defensive fighter and not on hopkins level

[BG_Knocc_Out]

I dont think Hearns is bigger than Hagler. Hopkins has a much better chin than Hearns too. Not to mention a better game plan. Hopkins studies his opponents and sticks to his game plan.

Hearns has an edge in speed, power over Hopkins and maybe offensively he is better, but i think Hopkins skillset is much more useful against a guy like Hagler.

You want to avoid the bullet with Hagler not fight him head on. That is why i believe Hopkins would beat him. Or at least have a better shot than Hearns.

Hopkins definitely has a better shot at Hagler than Hearns. Hearns is bigger in height than Hopkins, which is what I thought was reffering to earlier. Thing is, is that I just can't picture Hopkins throwing anything effective or big. Hagler would be coming forward most likely, feeding into Hopkins game, Hopkins loves to throw that swooping-inside right hand, and when that happens, Hagler would capitalize because Hagler is also a very very excellent counter pounter, if you look at that link posted earlier to his highlight, 75% of it is him throwing counters and then capitalizing. Hopkins is a great fighter, don't get me wrong, but Hagler just seems as unhittable as Hopkins when it's not a brawl. The only way I can think of beating Hagler at the moment is fighting on the outside, which Hopkins does not do. You know, this is one of those type of fights where you can have a very credible way on how each fighter would win.