Fantasy Match-up: '86 Hagler vs '00 Hopkins

[BG_Knocc_Out]

man why are you cursing at me like a school child..im trying to have a intellegant conversation like a man..where in my post did i curse or disrespect you??hearns was far from a defensive fighter and not on hopkins level

Because everything you have said has proven you are illiterate. Just like what you just said. when did I say Hearns was a defensive fighter? Why the hell bring it up? I cursed at you because your inability to comprehend my post, making you twist up my words, which is unneeded, which will provoke me.

[larryx]

Because everything you have said has proven you are illiterate. Just like what you just said. when did I say Hearns was a defensive fighter? Why the hell bring it up? I cursed at you because your inability to comprehend my post, making you twist up my words, which is unneeded, which will provoke me.

defense and counter punching is what seperates hearns from hopkins..hearns lack of defense and ring smarts got him ktfo by hagler,,that wont happen with hopkins..all that other **** you just typed i'll ignore

[BG_Knocc_Out]

defense and counter punching is what seperates hearns from hopkins..hearns lack of defense and ring smarts got him ktfo by hagler,,that wont happen with hopkins..all that other **** you just typed i'll ignore

You are proving it again. I suggest you analyzewhat I say, not just simply skim it. And yes, that is obviously why Hearns lost, I never said anything about it so why are you bring this up? I specificaly compared only three. THREE different attributes between Hopkins and Hearns, I didn't compare Hearns' counter punching ability to Hopkins, nor did I compare their defensive, so I ask why. WHY are you brining it up?

[P4P GOAT]

Hopkins definitely has a better shot at Hagler than Hearns. Hearns is bigger in height than Hopkins, which is what I thought was reffering to earlier. Thing is, is that I just can't picture Hopkins throwing anything effective or big. Hagler would be coming forward most likely, feeding into Hopkins game, Hopkins loves to throw that swooping-inside right hand, and when that happens, Hagler would capitalize because Hagler is also a very very excellent counter pounter, if you look at that link posted earlier to his highlight, 75% of it is him throwing counters and then capitalizing. Hopkins is a great fighter, don't get me wrong, but Hagler just seems as unhittable as Hopkins when it's not a brawl. The only way I can think of beating Hagler at the moment is fighting on the outside, which Hopkins does not do. You know, this is one of those type of fights where you can have a very credible way on how each fighter would win.

Hagler has never fought a fighter as intelligent,big,strong and defensively skilled as Hopkins. Leonard is smaller than Hopkins as is Duran and both those guys had their success's against Hagler.

I cant think of any of Hagler's opponents that Hopkins would of struggled with. Leonard maybe, but i dont see Hopkins dispatching the likes of Sibson,Minter,Hamsho just as easy as Hagler did.

[larryx]

You are proving it again. I suggest you analyzewhat I say, not just simply skim it. And yes, that is obviously why Hearns lost, I never said anything about it so why are you bring this up? I specificaly compared only three. THREE different attributes between Hopkins and Hearns, I didn't compare Hearns' counter punching ability to Hopkins, nor did I compare their defensive, so I ask why. WHY are you brining it up?

i picked hopkins and im explaining why...no what go ahead lil homie im moving on

[BG_Knocc_Out]

i picked hopkins and im explaining why...no what go ahead lil homie im moving on

You were not explaining why, you were comparing Hearns with Hopkins because I did.

[oldgringo]

Hopkins around '00 - '01 defeats a '86 - '87 Hagler by close decision. Hagler wasn't in his prime then, Bernard was during this specified time period. His (Hops) punch output was higher, his stamina was excellent, his body was in peak physical form and he was just as smart then as he is now.

Hagler back in the early 80's is a different story. He wasn't forced to win fights by outlasting his opponents in exchanges. He didn't need to put excessive pressure on his opponents and he was a much sharper boxer then. Hagler was a fine, two handed boxer who could counter or lead at his best.

I'd like a prime Hagler to outduel a prime Hopkins in a close one.

[P4P GOAT]

Hopkins around '00 - '01 defeats a '86 - '87 Hagler by close decision. Hagler wasn't in his prime then, Bernard was during this specified time period. His (Hops) punch output was higher, his stamina was excellent, his body was in peak physical form and he was just as smart then as he is now.

Hagler back in the early 80's is a different story. He wasn't forced to win fights by outlasting his opponents in exchanges. He didn't need to put excessive pressure on his opponents and he was a much sharper boxer then. Hagler was a fine, two handed boxer who could counter or lead at his best.

I'd like a prime Hagler to outduel a prime Hopkins in a close one.

Hagler's opponents were tailor made for him though.

Minter,Sibbo,Vito,Obell dont even come close to the skill level Hopkins has. Im not saying you are saying they do, but i think Hagler looked better than, he was during his MW reign because of his opposition.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

Hagler has never fought a fighter as intelligent,big,strong and defensively skilled as Hopkins. Leonard is smaller than Hopkins as is Duran and both those guys had their success's against Hagler.

I cant think of any of Hagler's opponents that Hopkins would of struggled with. Leonard maybe, but i dont see Hopkins dispatching the likes of Sibson,Minter,Hamsho just as easy as Hagler did.

Yes, definitaly, Hagler has never faught fighter like Hopkins, just as Hopkins has never faught a fighter like Hagler. That's what makes this dream fight so intrigueing. I also don't see Hagler struggling much with any of the fighters Hopkins has faced. I mean, you may be also underminding that Hagler is also a very intelligent fighter, maybe not on Hopkins level, but Hagler knows your next move which also would helped his counter punching. Haglers like an immovable object, your not going to hurt him, he's very smart also, he's smart-aggrassive (He knows when to be and when not to be), he's stronger, he can switch from southy to ortho impressively, his counter punching is very good, he can penetrate defenses very well, all this comes into play against Hopkins. This arguement can go on and on bro, lol. Both are great fighters, both have very good attributes that credit their name, etc. At least your bringing a credible response to the table man, unlike many others on this board, big ups to that.

[TheGreatA]

Hagler had slowened down by 1986.