Calzaghe Rejects Golden Boy Offer For Hopkins Rematch

[Dave Rado]

No more tears now, Its just a bit of banter.

LOL! I was actually trying to make a serious point, no tears - that it's just which punches you think landed, which is subjective, and we both agree it was very close, and neither of us should say we're right and the other person's wrong, and you still seem to be saying that you're right and I'm wrong.

Ermm I believe a poster or more than one came on here and admitted that Calzaghe didnt land as a many clean and effective punches as hopkins, I said when you add to that the knockdown that calzaghe suffered, how did he deserve to win that fight?

Calzaghe landed a lot more punches in my opinion and the opinion of many others. They were less effective than the punches Hopkins landed, but there were enough that landed cleanly to cumulatively win a close decision, in my opinion, and in the opinions of many other people. (Including even in the opinions of a small number of Hopkins fans, by the way).

Close fight, but I dont believe he deserved the decision I almost guarantee had the roles been reversed, you guys would have been going crazy about Americans robbing calzaghe and demanding a rematch.

Maybe.

But the reasons for not wanting a rematch are (a) that is was an ugly fight, a rematch would almost certainly be just as ugly, and almost no one wants to see them fight again, and (b) if Hopkins wanted a rematch, he sure knows how to cut off his nose to spite his face. The way he acted in the post match press conference was guaranteed to make Calzaghe feel the guy didn't deserve a second chance.

I said If you score for clean effective punching, Hopkins won the fight.

You have to take into account quantity as well as quality. I don't mean quantity of punches that didn't land, or were blocked. We just disagree on whether enough landed cleanly to cumulatively compensate for the one or two clean and more effective punches that Hopkins landed per round. I respect your opinion, and I hope you respect mine.

[Technical_Skill]

LOL! I was actually trying to make a serious point, no tears - that it's just which punches you think landed, which is subjective, and we both agree it was very close, and neither of us should say we're right and the other person's wrong, and you still seem to be saying that you're right and I'm wrong.


Calzaghe landed a lot more punches in my opinion and the opinion of many others. They were less effective than the punches Hopkins landed, but there were enough that landed cleanly to cumulatively win a close decision, in my opinion, and in the opinions of many other people.


Maybe.

But the reasons for not wanting a rematch are (a) that is was an ugly fight, a rematch would almost certainly be just as ugly, and almost no one wants to see them fight again, and (b) if Hopkins wanted a rematch, he sure knows how to cut off his nose to spite his face. The way he acted in the post match press conference was guaranteed to make Calzaghe feel the guy didn't deserve a second chance.


You have to take into account quantity as well as quality. I don't mean quantity of punches that didn't land, or were blocked. We just disagree on whether enough landed cleanly to cumulatively compensate for the one or two clean and more effective punches that Hopkins landed per round. I respect your opinion, and I hope you respect mine.

Okay, its cool, I cant really drag this out much longer anyways, come dine with me is on ch4 soon.

[Abstraction]

Dave Rado, you're the type of fan as to why nobody takes Joe seriouos.

Seriously mate, get a clue.

[Slater P Persin]

How can you fight someone if the fight can't get made?

It was possible in 2008 because it made financial sense to Roy in 2008, and because there were no HBO-Showtime politics in the way in 2008, and no Warren in the way in 2008.

How is the hard, well documented fact that Showtime offered Roy $3.5 million to fight Joe in 2001, but HBO wouldn't allow it to happen, propaganda? Are you accusing Showtime of making the offer just so that I would be able to post about it 8 years later?

And how is the hard fact that Calzaghe repeatedly publicly called for Roy to make the fight in 2001 and 2002 propaganda? It didn't make any commercial sense for Roy at that time, partly because Joe wasn't a big name, and partly because of the Showtime/HBO political problem, that's fair enough, I have never accused Roy of ducking - but that isn't Joe's fault.

And as you are well aware, Joe did negotiate a deal to fight Hopkins in 2002, and contracts were even drawn up, before Hopkins pulled out at the last moment due to his animosity with King. But you won't even give him any credit for having done everything he could to make that fight with Hopkins in 2002. That shows you up as a completely irrational hater.

Furthermore, you still haven't produced a single piece of hard evidence to back up your claims. The fact that a fight wasn't made doesn't prove the fighters didn't want it to be made. Hundreds of fights have been killed by boxing politics, e.g. Williams-Clottey last year, which Williams and Clottey both wanted, but HBO killed.

Please, Joe has done everything possible to avoid difficult fights his whole career. All you are doing is believing propaganda about deals and numbers. Like that bogus Showtime offer. I happen to know that Jones had a 5 million dollar guarantee in 2002. Joe never wanted to leave the uk. Nobody even knew who he was and he LOVED it that way. All that Propaganda that comes from Jay Larkin is manufactured. He was on Frank Warrens payroll as co promoter for Calzaghe you naive, sympathetic, sheep. Everyone knows Calzaghe is a fraud guy. It's so obvious no matter how many novels you put on Boxingscene, Sorry!

[Roger Mellie]

Dave Rado, you're the type of fan as to why nobody takes Joe seriouos.

Seriously mate, get a clue.

onion,you are the kind of poster nobody takes seriously.

Seriously mate, get a clue.

[Dave Rado]

Please, Joe has done everything possible to avoid difficult fights his whole career. All you are doing is believing propaganda about deals and numbers. Like that bogus Showtime offer. I happen to know that Jones had a 5 million dollar guarantee in 2002. Joe never wanted to leave the uk. Nobody even knew who he was and he LOVED it that way. All that Propaganda that comes from Jay Larkin is manufactured. He was on Frank Warrens payroll as co promoter for Calzaghe you naive, sympathetic, sheep. Everyone knows Calzaghe is a fraud guy. It's so obvious no matter how many novels you put on Boxingscene, Sorry!

What's Larkin got to do with anything? I have never once mentioned Larkin! And what is your evidence that the offer Showtime said they made in 2001 (not 2002) was bogus? Maybe it was too low, but that is hardly Calzaghe's fault. Or that Joe wasn't willing to fight in the States in 2000 and 2001 despite saying at that time on numerous occasions that he was? And why are you STILL ignoring the fact that Hopkins and Calzaghe agreed terms to fight in 2002 and then Hopkins doubled his purse demand at the last moment and pulled out? If you had even the remotest slaver of intellectual honesty you would at least give him props for that - instead of which you claim Joe did everything possible to avoid that fight, when it was Hopkins who pulled out of it? That shows you up as a total idiot.

You're just getting more and more pathetic, never providing any evidence for any of your claims, just putting forward your prejudices over and over again and pretending they are facts.

[CraigM]

Wouldn't of this made a lot more sense before Calzaghe decided to retire? If there was that much need for a rematch this would have been officially mentioned before Calzaghes retirement.

And if he doesn't want to fight Hopkins, so what

[keepthemhandsup]

of course the man anit gonna fight.....

[Butterball]

Sad his fans in Whales won't be able to see him one last time, this article basically reads to me I would lose in a rematch so I don't want to risk it against a motivated Hopkins.

Calzaghe has fans that live inside giant fish?


Calzaghe's a BUM he freakin' FEAR'S hopkins. Lamo, pwn!

[Abstraction]

onion,you are the kind of poster nobody takes seriously.

Seriously mate, get a clue.

Nah mate, you're no better than the Bias Yanks.