Wladimir Klitschko vs. David Haye June 20 in Berlin

[Chunk..]

So, Chunk, how many points do you want to bet?

What odds are you gonna give me?

[The Hammer]

Now all of a sudden rather conveniently the UK has dodgey decisions and referring or whatever, and you think Wlad could have possibly lost due to a slip being called a KD. So it's also suddenly now a decision, Wlad won't KO? WTF?

You change your story to suite time and time again. It leaves me battling to like or respect you on these forums sometimes Tunney.

Grow some balls, and open fair unbiased debating skills whilst your at it.

Oh, and I'll see closer to the time, I favour a Wlad KO, but may bet on a Haye KO. Just as well most agree it won't go to the score cards huh, because otherwise your apparent call of a Wlad slip being judged a KD would win Haye a decision.

You're using the "strawman" approach, misrepresenting what I said. That's very shady of you.

What I said was, he might call a slip a TKO, not a knockdown.

It leaves me battling to like or respect you on these forums sometimes KrisSilver.

Grow some balls, and open fair unbiased debating skills whilst you're at it.

[Kris Silver]

You're using the "strawman" approach, misrepresenting what I said. That's very shady of you.

What I said was calling a slip a TKO, not a knocksdown.

It leaves me battling to like or respect you on these forums sometimes Krissilver.

Grow some balls, and open fair unbiased debating skills whilst your at it.

The essence of your post comes down to repeating the same thing I said back, that is a little weak.

I'm pretty tolerant and nice to you on these forums Tunney, in-fact I often defend you. You just don't like it when someone attacks you, and never accept any of the criticism is valid, and take a disliking to the person. This is also weak.

Like I say, I'll be nice to you, but when your spurt biased **** that even contradicts what you've previously said (saying British rings have good fair outcomes then suddenly they don't for Wlad) I will damn well call you on it. Ok.

Now, for everybody here, please explain exactly how, realistically a slip can be called a TKO?

When a TKO is called the fighter in question has usually taken a decent amount of punishment, is swaying, not throwing back much, and unable to get up quickly and with ease. In which case it's valid, not merely an accidental, slip.

The idea Wlad can just whopsi days, slip over, and then a referee says TKO, like you've made out, is frankly ludicrous. And stands in direct contradiction with you defending previously, decisions and refereeing in the UK as good.

[The Hammer]

What odds are you gonna give me?

No odds. Why would a fighter like this one require odds:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=246744

I'm not asking for nor giving odds, and accepting all even bets I have enought points to cover.

[TheBoychine]

The essence of your post comes down to repeating the same thing I said back, that is a little weak.

I'm pretty tolerant and nice to you on these forums Tunney, in-fact I often defend you. You just don't like it when someone attacks you, and never accept any of the criticism is valid, and take a disliking to the person. This is also weak.

Like I say, I'll be nice to you, but when your spurt biased **** that even contradicts what you've previously said (saying British rings have good fair outcomes then suddenly they don't for Wlad) I will damn well call you on it. Ok.

Now, for everybody here, please explain exactly how, realistically a slip can be called a TKO?

When a TKO is called the fighter in question has usually taken a decent amount of punishment, is swaying, not throwing back much, and unable to get up quickly and with ease. In which case it's valid, not merely an accidental, slip.

this was a slip

[Chunk..]

No odds. Why would a fighter like this one require odds:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=246744

I'm not asking for nor giving odds, and accepting all even bets I have enought points to cover.

That thread has nothing to do with me. Offer me odds and i'll bet with you.

[$partacus]

I really hope this fight ends with a KO, i don't trust judges in Germany.

[The Hammer]

When a TKO is called the fighter in question has usually taken a decent amount of punishment, is swaying, not throwing back much, and unable to get up quickly and with ease. In which case it's valid, not merely an accidental, slip.

The idea Wlad can just whopsi days, slip over, and then a referee says TKO, like you've made out, is frankly ludicrous. And stands in direct contradiction with you defending previously, decisions and refereeing in the UK as good.

There are home decisions and unfair refereeing everywhere. I saw both last Saturday in Houston, in the John-Juarez fight - ref helped Juarez, and the judges scored the fight unfaiirly. I've seen terrible judging everywhere (including in the UK for the second M'Baye-Kotelnik fight, even the UK commentators thought so).

I saw several early stoppages in Haye fights, such as the Mock fight, and it makes me a bit wary of Wlad fighting there. The home ref helped Haye against Barrett (for example, letting Haye hit the back of Barrett's head, and calling a Haye pushdown a knockdown).

It happens everywhere - home refs also helped Mayweather against Hatton, and Ottke against Reid. You only become bitchy and sennsitive when I mention UK refs doing it.

[street bully]

That's why I wanted an earlier fight than June 20 - will he still be able to fight Sasha by September 13?

The fight will be broadcast in North America on Saturday afternoon June 20, so they have decided to have it at a time when people in the UK and Germany can watch it, rather than at 3 am their time to please HBO.

Thats because there isn't a demand for it in America. Barley anyone gives a **** patut about Wlad.

[street bully]

There are home decisions and unfair refereeing everywhere. I saw both last Saturday in Houston, in the John-Juarez fight - ref helped Juarez, and the judges scored the fight unfaiirly. I've seen terrible judging everywhere (including in the UK for the second M'Baye-Kotelnik fight, even the UK commentators thought so).

I saw several early stoppages in Haye fights, such as the Mock fight, and it makes me a bit wary of Wlad fighting there. The home ref helped Haye against Barrett (for example, letting Haye hit the back of Barrett's head, and calling a Haye pushdown a knockdown).

It happens everywhere - home refs also helped Mayweather against Hatton, and Ottke against Reid. You only become bitchy and sennsitive when I mention UK refs doing it.

Tunney all Cortez did was break up Hatton excessive clinching. He would have got his ass beat anyways.