Whose performance was better against Diaz - Marquez or Campbell?

[strugler]

Campbell. He was more impressive in my opinion.

[Reggie Miller]

Marquez all day.

[Ramamaiden]

the big difference imo is that campbell did a very good strategy against diaz. he clinched him, so that slowed the intensity of the fight and took diaz off rythm, and also he used all the tricks he know to make diaz even more uncomfortable...so the fight went his way.
on the other hand, marquez always fought at diaz pace, so thats why it looked like diaz was doing better...and it was at the beginning until marquez slowly started to hit more and to evade that left hook and combinations, but the thing is that all the fight was at diaz pace. marquez never clinched and was against the ropes a lot.
so my point is that being able to beat in that way a guy on his own game and pace gives him a lot of credit.

[Steak]

Campbell took less damage than Marquez did, and landed over 400 punches on Diaz.
but of course, Marquez did knock him out.
then again, Campbell did beat him first.

so its more or less even.

Marquez is going to the HOF....Soupy is not. Marquez knocked out Casamayor....Soupy couldn't even beat him.

apart from the fact that many people had Campbell winning the Casamayor fight, Campbell himself was still pretty green when he fought a PRIME Casamayor.
Marquez beat a Casamayor who had gotten a huge gift over Santa Cruz, who isnt that amazing of a fighter(although underrated). not to mention Casamayor had gotten dropped by Katsidis and was behind on the scorecards right before the Marquez fight.

[Queen_Leia]

Campbell took less damage than Marquez did, and landed over 400 punches on Diaz.
but of course, Marquez did knock him out.
then again, Campbell did beat him first.

so its more or less even.


apart from the fact that many people had Campbell winning the Casamayor fight, Campbell himself was still pretty green when he fought a PRIME Casamayor.
Marquez beat a Casamayor who had gotten a huge gift over Santa Cruz, who isnt that amazing of a fighter(although underrated). not to mention Casamayor had gotten dropped by Katsidis and was behind on the scorecards right before the Marquez fight.

While if Soupy wasn't ready and still green, he shouldn't have fought him. The official judges have Casamayor winning so that means Soupy lost.....he has no excuse, Joel beat him and took his 0.

Soupy is absolute crap.

[Steak]

While if Soupy wasn't ready and still green, he shouldn't have fought him. The official judges have Casamayor winning so that means Soupy lost.....he has no excuse, Joel beat him and took his 0.

Soupy is absolute crap.

thats dumb, he needed money. its not like Campbell had any other opponents, this was the first time he ever stepped up in class, and he had only started boxing in his mid twenties. the experience gap between a prime Casamayor and that version of Campbell was huge, and Campbell still arguably won the fight.

and dont give me that official judges business. judges are not the end all be all when it comes to scoring a fight, because bad judging happens all the time. the fact of the matter is that it was a very close fight, and could have gone either way.

I think the Diaz who showed up for the Marquez fight is better than the Diaz who fought Campbell

I also love Marquez's performance as it's a textbook example of "putting money in the banK" with hard, accurate body punching

Campbell was digging right hands to the body since the very beginning of his fight against Diaz too, which was the reason he ended up sweeping the final rounds.

and there was little to no difference between the Diaz in the Campbell fight and the one in the Marquez fight, imo.

[Queen_Leia]

thats dumb, he needed money. its not like Campbell had any other opponents, this was the first time he ever stepped up in class, and he had only started boxing in his mid twenties. the experience gap between a prime Casamayor and that version of Campbell was huge, and Campbell still arguably won the fight.

Well you said that Soupy was green and was trying to make excuses for him and I said that if he was not ready, he shouldn't have fought. He lost, no excuse.

and dont give me that official judges business. judges are not the end all be all when it comes to scoring a fight, because bad judging happens all the time. the fact of the matter is that it was a very close fight, and could have gone either way.

They are the ones that decide the fight....your opinion is your opinion and it means nothing as far as the official judging to the fight goes....****, Harold Letterman scorecard means nothing....only the 3 individual judging the fight have the final say.

[Silencers]

I'd say Marquez.

[Steak]

Well you said that Soupy was green and was trying to make excuses for him and I said that if he was not ready, he shouldn't have fought. He lost, no excuse.

the point is, if Campbell was closer to his prime(years later), he would have done much better. if you made a Marquez who had only boxed for 4 years fight a prime Casamayor, he would have very likely lost, and probebly by a very wide margin.

They are the ones that decide the fight....your opinion is your opinion and it means nothing as far as the official judging to the fight goes....****, Harold Letterman scorecard means nothing....only the 3 individual judging the fight have the final say.

stop being so stubborn. are you trying to tell me there isnt such thing as a robbery, and all that matters is the judge's scorecard? what about Lewis-Holyfield 1? what about Casamayor-Santa Cruz? what about Doug Tucker, who score Mijares-Navarro 12 rounds to 0 for Navarro, despite the fact that Mijares not only clearly won, he clearly won by a pretty wide margin?

oh well, guess that every one of those scorecards was 100% correct, since theyre official judges. mmhmm.

dont be such a child.

[Queen_Leia]

stop being so stubborn. are you trying to tell me there isnt such thing as a robbery, and all that matters is the judge's scorecard? what about Lewis-Holyfield 1? what about Casamayor-Santa Cruz? what about Doug Tucker, who score Mijares-Navarro 12 rounds to 0 for Navarro, despite the fact that Mijares not only clearly won, he clearly won by a pretty wide margin?

oh well, guess that every one of those scorecards was 100% correct, since theyre official judges. mmhmm.

dont be such a child.

They may get it wrong sometime but they are the judges, they are paid to judge, right or wrong so even if it's wrong, the only thing that we can have is an unofficial opinion about it and then STFU because there is nothing that we can ever say that will change the official verdict. Black,your opinion absolutely means nothing to them.