Marquez is a lucky fighter

[street bully]

again thats would'v could'v with marquez. pac has proved it. marquez would'v beat pac if it wasnt for the 4 knock downs. marquez would'v beat delahoya.

maybe he could'v beat diaz and delahoya, but i doubt as dominant as pac.

I give pacman respect for the De La Hoya fight sinc ehe breat the brakes off the much bigger man, but FFs the David Dias fight meant nothing Dias IMO lost to a shot to **** Erik Morales.

[street bully]

he's a great fighter, but not number 1. a performance like that against a person you are supposed to beat dont make you the best.

It was a 50-50 fight, how was Marquez supposed to beat Diaz, when everything was rewvolving around Diaz, from the small ass ring goldenboy suckered JMM into fighting in to the Bbias ass HBO commentators. Opinion on this fight was split down the middle, and everyone stated that the outcome would be a toss up. On the other hand 99 percent of people knew Pacquiao would destroy David Diaz which he did.

[fcastro1]

[QUOTE=mangler;4849549]

[B]Hist first fight with pac he should have lost because of a misjudged scorecard. Against barrera the ref failed to score a knock down which changed the direction of the fight.


These parts are true, but the final scores (which were a disgrace) in the MAB fight showed it wouldn't have mattered. People should quit dissin JMM. He's a very good fighter who's had some good and bad breaks.

true but most of his fans and marquez like to magnify his bad breaks by a multiple of 10 and never like to admit his good breaks. at least be consistant.

dont talk all that he should have won against pac b.s when he got a gift in the first and a gift against barrera.

[larryx]

casamayor lost to santa cruz and diaz lost to campbell.

the legit champ at 135 was campbell. jmm is the king of 135 by default because campbell cant make 135 anymore.

well on paper casa beat santa cruz...so jmm is the kingpin..and jmm is a better fighter than campbell lets be honest here..i like campbell but come on

[sunny31]

[QUOTE=fcastro1;4849790]

true but most of his fans and marquez like to magnify his bad breaks by a multiple of 10 and never like to admit his good breaks. at least be consistant.

dont talk all that he should have won against pac b.s when he got a gift in the first and a gift against barrera.

When I think of marquez, lucky is not the first thing that comes to mind, that would be the understatement of the century!!!

He got an unjust dq in his 1st fight for god sake. Freddie Norwood fight was dreadful and marquez probably won. The decision for the John fight was disgraceful. I am by far not the only person who had him winning both pac fights, although very close. I am not even that big of a marquez fan being a brit, but have the ability to be objective the guy could easily be 55-0 or if you give pac the benefit of the doubt 53-1-1.

Marquez is not lucky...he is absolutely brilliant. He deserves so much more plaudits then he gets, and is only starting to get the recognition he deserves as one of the best mexican fighters of all-time. At the moment he is p4p #2 in my opinion but if pac loses, he goes top spot.

[fcastro1]

[QUOTE=mangler;4849549]

[B]Hist first fight with pac he should have lost because of a misjudged scorecard. Against barrera the ref failed to score a knock down which changed the direction of the fight.


These parts are true, but the final scores (which were a disgrace) in the MAB fight showed it wouldn't have mattered. People should quit dissin JMM. He's a very good fighter who's had some good and bad breaks.

[QUOTE=sunny31;4849872]

When I think of marquez, lucky is not the first thing that comes to mind, that would be the understatement of the century!!!

He got an unjust dq in his 1st fight for god sake. Freddie Norwood fight was dreadful and marquez probably won. The decision for the John fight was disgraceful. I am by far not the only person who had him winning both pac fights, although very close. I am not even that big of a marquez fan being a brit, but have the ability to be objective the guy could easily be 55-0 or if you give pac the benefit of the doubt 53-1-1.

Marquez is not lucky...he is absolutely brilliant. He deserves so much more plaudits then he gets, and is only starting to get the recognition he deserves as one of the best mexican fighters of all-time. At the moment he is p4p #2 in my opinion but if pac loses, he goes top spot.

come one if you fight a certain way you are gonna have close decisions. pac dominates and dont leave it to the judges. he is great but if your gonna fight tactical expect close decisions.

[Da Hammer]

he has gotten some lucky breaks in a couple fights. but a couple lucky breaks doesnt make a fighter a sure HOF. Marquez is one of the best and smartest counterpunchers in boxing history for a reason because he has put in the hard work and dedication despite for most of his early career being overlooked and forgotten about. He has EARNED his spot among the ELITE!!!

[pistol whip]

True about Casamayor being old and Diaz not that great but Marquez is slipping as well.

You know what I love about this comment? People only started saying this about Diaz and Casamayor after Marquez beat the both of them.

Obviously it's the only way for anyone to discredit Marquez and I think it's pretty cheap that some people are willing to lower themselves to that level.

[fcastro1]

You know what I love about this comment? People only started saying this about Diaz and Casamayor after Marquez beat the both of them.

Obviously it's the only way for anyone to discredit Marquez and I think it's pretty cheap that some people are willing to lower themselves to that level.

pac gets it all the time. barrera morales shot when they were in their 20's when they faced pac. marquez beats a shadow of the former barrera in a tough fight and a 37 year old casamayor who looked dodgy in his last two fights. now marquez is on par or better than pac. give me a break. pac just moved three weights to demolish a guy and gets no credit. this is blatant double standards.

[Carolina Bomber]

First of all i feel marquez is a good fighter, but a very lucky one. Hist first fight with pac he should have lost because of a misjudged scorecard. Against barrera the ref failed to score a knock down which changed the direction of the fight. against casamayor the fight was even but for a lucky punch. against diaz he was losing but for a cut that changed the fight.

If thats what your calling it..So wal Ali, Frazier, Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Whitaker, Chavez, Foreman, DLH, Mayweather, Pacquiao...etc etc.

Thats a cool avatar though. Pacman is a beast