Mayweather Will Duck Marquez, Says Oscar De La Hoya

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Floyd gets whooped by lil manny too!!

I would like to see that fight.

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If he doesn't fight him, he is ducking and if he beats him, he just beat on a smaller guy


Some bull**** this is, nothing good comes out of it

Amen to that.

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Where on earth do you expect most interviews with Hatton at that time to have been published? Outer Mongolia? The guy lives in the UK, doesn't he? Of course he gives most of his interviews to UK media. If you were looking for an interview with Mayweather, wouldn't you expect it to be in the US media? Does the fact that an interview with Mayweather was in say The New York Times rather than the BBC somehow make it suspect?

The Guardian and the BBC are, in the UK, equivalent to the New York Times and ABC in the US - they have international reputations for high quality journalism and for fact checking everything. There is nothing biased about the articles, they are just straight interviews with Hatton.

Talk about clutching at straws.

It matters only in the sense that someone accused Hatton of ducking, very unfairly IMO.

But okay, here's one from the US - from CNN, just after the Maussa fight, in November 2005:

Graham added that Hatton now wanted to fight WBC champion Floyd Mayweather (35-0) in the United States.

"He's a great fighter and you've got to go in against the best. The boxing world is screaming out for it."

That's hardly asking to wait two years is it? Happy now?

Happy now? Happy about what? I never asked you to produce any articles. I also never claimed Hatton ducked Mayweather.

Obviously you arent familiar with the term "Two sides to every story".

That said.....all of your articles being from the UK that you keep using as "proof" they called Mayweather out, youre forgetting the fact that fights are made for more reasons than some guy saying he wants to fight another guy. Money being the main reason.

Money is MOST LIKELY the reason the fight wasnt made at that time. Like I said Frank Warren didnt want to lose his cash cow. Hatton broke from him and WOW they actually made the fight.

THE REASON THE FIGHT WASNT MADE AT 140= FRANK WARREN.

The fight was made and Hatton= KTFO

[El Jesus]

Where on earth do you expect most interviews with Hatton at that time to have been published? Outer Mongolia? The guy lives in the UK, doesn't he? Of course he gives most of his interviews to UK media. If you were looking for an interview with Mayweather, wouldn't you expect it to be in the US media? Does the fact that an interview with Mayweather was in say The New York Times rather than the BBC somehow make it suspect?

The Guardian and the BBC are, in the UK, equivalent to the New York Times and ABC in the US - they have international reputations for high quality journalism and for fact checking everything. There is nothing biased about the articles, they are just straight interviews with Hatton.

Talk about clutching at straws.

It matters only in the sense that someone accused Hatton of ducking, very unfairly IMO.

But okay, here's one from the US - from CNN, just after the Maussa fight, in November 2005:

Graham added that Hatton now wanted to fight WBC champion Floyd Mayweather (35-0) in the United States.

"He's a great fighter and you've got to go in against the best. The boxing world is screaming out for it."

That's hardly asking to wait two years is it? Happy now?

since this has been argued to death, anyone whos been following boxing close enough knows that mayweather indeed did try to get hatton in 04/05 and then again in 06 when ricky hatton won his title at 147 against collazo, he then said he would defend against oktay urkal, instead he vacated and went BACK to 140.

In 04/05 Mayweather tried very hard to get a fight with hatton in particular after he finished his buisness with Gatti, Hatton and his team ADMITTED they needed more time to take on mayweather and elected to carlos maussa. Like i said as much as this has been beaten to death, its been readily proven that Hatton ducked mayweather openly until they finally did fight, years later, when the fight should have happened when hatton held the linear 140 championship and floyd held the wbc at 140.

Also, major news outlets arent good gauges on boxing, they dont cover it that comprehensively, this place, ********** and a few other sites are far better because they basically track every quote/comment that comes out of a fighters mouth. There are more insiders here than there are in the actual sports publications in many cases.

[Dave Rado]

Happy now? Happy about what? I never asked you to produce any articles. I also never claimed Hatton ducked Mayweather.

Obviously you arent familiar with the term "Two sides to every story".

That said.....all of your articles being from the UK that you keep using as "proof" they called Mayweather out, youre forgetting the fact that fights are made for more reasons than some guy saying he wants to fight another guy. Money being the main reason.

Money is MOST LIKELY the reason the fight wasnt made at that time. Like I said Frank Warren didnt want to lose his cash cow. Hatton broke from him and WOW they actually made the fight.

THE REASON THE FIGHT WASNT MADE AT 140= FRANK WARREN.

The fight was made and Hatton= KTFO

Hatton split from Warren in September 2005, before the Maussa fight in November 2005; and in November 2005 he was still calling out Mayweather in interviews, whereas by then Mayweather was already saying he wanted to fight Judah, not Hatton, and he fought Mitchell that month. As I say, an interview is an interview regardless of what country it happens to be published in, and it's not surprising that the interviews with Hatton published at that time were almost all published in UK media, because that's where the guy lives. But the articles I linked to were not at all biased or partisan articles, they were straight reports; and the BBC and The Guardian are not not fly by night partisan red tops, they are both internationally renowned for high quality fact-checked journalism.

I appreciate you didn't say that Hatton ducked Mayweather - but several other people did, without any evidence to back them up apart from a claim by one of Mayweather's advisers, which I consider highly suspect considering it was strongly contradicted by Hatton himself at that time. And I'm not saying Mayweather ducked Hatton either - I think it's a shame he chose to move up and fight Judah rather than stay at Jnr Welterweight in order to fight Hatton at that weight, but I don't think he was ducking him, I think he was just more excited about fighting Judah, for whatever reason. Arguably Judah was the tougher fight anyway.

[Dave Rado]

since this has been argued to death, anyone whos been following boxing close enough knows that mayweather indeed did try to get hatton in 04/05 and then again in 06 when ricky hatton won his title at 147 against collazo, he then said he would defend against oktay urkal, instead he vacated and went BACK to 140.

After Collazo, Hatton realised he couldn't cut it at 147 (in the sense that he couldn't take his power and speed up with him), so he moved back down. But no one has provided any evidence that Mayweather tried to get a fight with Hatton in 2005, and certainly no evidence that Hatton was asking for 2 more years (other than a claim to that effect several months later by one of Mayweather's advisers, which is very different from, and far less credible than, a statement from Hatton himself); and I have provided plenty of evidence that Hatton was very keen to fight Mayweather in 2005, that he was willing to fight in the States, and that by November 2005 Mayweather was already talking about wanting to fight Judah and not Hatton. And Hatton invited Mayweather to be ringside at the Maussa fight in order to create interest in a fight between them in early 2006, and Mayweather declined the invitation - that's fact.

I have checked every single boxingscene.com article written in 2005 that mentions Hatton and Mayweather, and not one of them says anything about Mayweather having tried to get a fight with Hatton (although I found two that criticised him for fighting Mitchell rather than Hatton); and not one that said Hatton had said he wanted to wait two years. On the other hand here's a quote from boxingscene.com from Hatton in November 2005 making it clear he wanted to fight Mayweather at Jnr. Welterweight, and was willing to fight him in the States:

"Some of the best pound for pound fighters are in my division and I am looking forward to more fantastic wins and fantastic nights. The thought of fighting the best is what keeps me going in the sport. I said from day one I wanted to fight the best and I look forward to coming to America to fight them too. I will go anywhere to fight. I would definitely fight Floyd Mayweather in the States. No problem."

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After Collazo, Hatton realised he couldn't cut it at 147 (in the sense that he couldn't take his power and speed up with him), so he moved back down. But no one has provided any evidence that Mayweather tried to get a fight with Hatton in 2005, and certainly no evidence that Hatton was asking for 2 more years (other than a claim to that effect several months later by one of Mayweather's advisers, which is very different from, and far less credible than, a statement from Hatton himself); and I have provided plenty of evidence that Hatton was very keen to fight Mayweather in 2005, that he was willing to fight in the States, and that by November 2005 Mayweather was already talking about wanting to fight Judah and not Hatton. And Hatton invited Mayweather to be ringside at the Maussa fight in order to create interest in a fight between them in early 2006, and Mayweather declined the invitation - that's fact.

I have checked every single boxingscene.com article written in 2005 that mentions Hatton and Mayweather, and not one of them says anything about Mayweather having tried to get a fight with Hatton (although I found two that criticised him for fighting Mitchell rather than Hatton); and not one that said Hatton had said he wanted to wait two years. On the other hand here's a quote from boxingscene.com from Hatton in November 2005 making it clear he wanted to fight Mayweather at Jnr. Welterweight, and was willing to fight him in the States:

"Some of the best pound for pound fighters are in my division and I am looking forward to more fantastic wins and fantastic nights. The thought of fighting the best is what keeps me going in the sport. I said from day one I wanted to fight the best and I look forward to coming to America to fight them too. I will go anywhere to fight. I would definitely fight Floyd Mayweather in the States. No problem."

Does it really make a difference? Hatton couldnt beat Floyd in '05, 07, 09, 2020.

[bunce101]

lol at Oscar