Antonio Margarito on Mexico's All-Time list?

**IwatchBoxing** · 02-26-2009, 01:16 PM

HBOs list

1. Julio Cesar Chavez - Widely regarded as the greatest Mexican fighter of all-time, although old timers will debate you on that. They favor Olivares, Miguel Canto or maybe even Sanchez. Whatever they think, Chavez won world titles at 130, 135 and three times at 140 and retired with a record of 108-6-2 with 87 KOs. He was unbeaten in his first 91 fights (although a draw to Pernell Whitaker was a gift) before Frankie Randall beat him by well deserved split decision. One of his greatest performances was his last-second stoppage of Meldrick Taylor on March 17, 1990, a brilliant and brutal night in which Taylor administered a boxing lesson but took a beating from which he never fully recovered. Chavez used suffocating pressure, body punching and crushing right hands to wear men down and beat them up. He was 88-0 when he and Whitaker fought in San Antonio. He was a lesser fighter after that but he was also 31 and a veteran of an inordinate amount of ring wars. It will take a lot for someone to remove him out of this No. 1 ranking.

2. Ruben Olivares - One of the two or three best bantamweights ever to fight, Olivares held that title through two reigns between 1969-72 before moving up to twice win the WBC featherweight title. A powerful puncher, Olivares won his first 60 fights, 55 by knockout on the way to posting a record of 88-13-3 (78 KO). Perhaps no 118 pounder ever punched harder than Olivares. He could box but most often chose not to, relying instead on a shot to the liver and a menacing style that was all about coming forward. Classic Mexican brawler, Olivares was loved by Mexican fight fans. His three wars with Bobby Chacon are typical of why.

3. Salvador Sanchez - Sanchez (44-1-1) never lost a title fight and defeated a roster of top opponents like Danny Lopez (twice), Azumah Nelson, Wilfredo Gomez, Juan LaPorte and Ruben Castillo before dying at 23 in a car wreck. He had made nine successful defenses of the featherweight title at the time of his death. Sanchez was not the typical Mexican brawler but rather a defensive expert and sharp counter puncher. His greatest night was when he destroyed Gomez, who was 32-0-1 at the time, in eight technically perfect rounds.

4. Miguel Canto - A defensive master, he's the Mexican version of Willie Pep. He successfully defended the flyweight title a record 14 times, winning all but one of those fights by 15-round decision, a record that will never be approached for dominance by virtue of pure boxing skill.

Canto finished 61-9-4 with only 15 knockouts with four of those losses coming at the end of his career and most of the rest in the first two years of it. He was more difficult to hit than Sandy Koufax.

5. Carlos Zarate - Polar opposite of Canto, Zarate was a power puncher locked in a bantamweight's body. Zarate won his first 45 fights, 44 by KO, and retired with a record of 66-4 with 63 knockouts. That's punching power.

He made nine defenses of the bantamweight title in three years, stopping nearly all of the best opposition available to him, making him one of the greatest bantamweights of all-time. Perhaps his greatest moment was knocking out his nemesis of the '70s, Alfonso Zamora, who was 29-0 at the time with 29 knockouts himself, in an over the weight fight. Zarate dropped Zamora three times before stopping him in the fourth round in their April 23, 1977 showdown.

6. Ricardo Lopez - Grossly underrated as De La Hoya says because of his size and the fact promoter Don King kept him hidden behind Chavez for so long.

7. Marco Antonio Barrera - The best Mexican fighter of his era (unless you include Chavez in it). Erik Morales would like to prove otherwise but he's 1-2 against Barrera and the gap between them is widening. Barrera became a complete fighter, rather than just a warrior, after Junior Jones beat him twice. He still loves to brawl but he can box, too. What featherweight of his time was better? A match with Sanchez would have been a Mexican dream fight.

8. Vicente Saldivar - Elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1999, Saldivar finished his career 37-3 with 27 KO, having won the featherweight title in 1964 by upsetting Sugar Ramos. He held that title for four years, including three wins over Howard Winstone during that stretch before retiring after their third fight in 1967. He returned to the ring 21 months later and won the featherweight title a second time in less than a year, although this reign was short-lived.

9. Kid Azteca - A tremendous body puncher whose liver shot Micky Ward would have loved, Azteca went a phenomenal 151-41-8 with 81 KOs during a 29-year career that went from 1932 to 1961, a span of four decades.

10. Jose Becerra - The most popular fighter in Mexico by July 8, 1959 when he stopped bantamweight champion Alphonse Halimi, conqueror of Becerra's idol Raul Macias 21 months earlier, for the first of two times to become world champion. Becerra retired at 24 however with a 71-5-2 record (42 KO) less than a year after killing Walt Ingram in the ring. Because he fought mostly in the '50s he is all but forgotten these days, overshadowed by fighters like Humberto "Chiquita'' Gonzalez or Pipino Cuevas. They were good but his skills exceeded theirs at their best

Where would you place him, top ten or top 20?

**ShalafiV.2** · 02-26-2009, 01:28 PM

Top 20 in my book.

**Scary** · 02-26-2009, 01:29 PM

Julio... He was the best.

**larryx** · 02-26-2009, 01:30 PM

margarito is a disgrace to mexican boxing..theres no pride in cheating..and pride is what mexican boxing has been about

**-MAKAVELLI-** · 02-26-2009, 01:30 PM

even if the whole plaster eposide didnt happen, Margarito doesnt crack the top 20 of mexican greats....

**dino** · 02-26-2009, 01:37 PM

the only great mexican fighter is OSCAR DE LA HOYA, mexicans go crazy over a ****ing record. if JULIO CHAVEZ was so great he would have held belts and multiple weight classes like the REAL GREATS do. In truth CHAVEZ is nothing more then an over publizied YORY BOY CAMPAS.

Chavez blew up his record fighting bums in MEXICO 4 TIMES A MONTH.
He was too easy to hit, didn't have any speed, nor did he have great power.
Only good thing about him was he had a good chin, and was a solid body puncher...AT THE LOWER WEIGHTS.

De la hoya's style made him effective from 130-154 a far better fighter then CHAVEZ. Hell VARGAS at 1 point was even better then chavez.

**IwatchBoxing** · 02-26-2009, 01:42 PM

Margarito belongs in the top 20, Margos victory over Miguel, was compared to Salvador Sanchez-Wilfredo Gomez.

Even, if he did cheated, he still has the W.

Free Sigs, my Mexican friends

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**Mr. Fantastic** · 02-26-2009, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by IwatchBoxing

Margarito belongs in the top 20, Margos victory over Miguel, was compared to Salvador Sanchez-Wilfredo Gomez.

Even, if he did cheated, he still has the W.

Free Sigs, my Mexican friends

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Not even close dude.

**IwatchBoxing** · 02-26-2009, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by chicano79us

Not even close dude.

Straight from Aztecka's mouth

Antonio Margarito on Mexico's All-Time list?