The Hometown German-Style 8 Count

[Hitman932]

Watch this fight between Johnathon Banks and Ralf Riemer to see how long a German ref will give a German fighter to recover even in the most hopeless of circumstances.

Riemer is dropped at 2:50 of the first round, the Ref administers the slowest 8 count of all time and then screws around for 5 more seconds. by the time the fights resumes 16 seconds have passed since the KD. With an 8-count and a glove check 10 seconds is the longest it should take. So a German fighter gets at least 50% longer to recover at home than he would abroad.


If a German ref gives 16 seconds to a nobody fighter against an up and coming American imagine how long Abraham would get to rise from a knockdown against Pavlik. My guess would be 25-30 seconds.

[Hitman932]

Another nice 8 count here, this time the ref helps Hernandez to his feet and then begins the count after 7-8 seconds and after Hernandez had risen. I watched the fight in real time and Hernandez gets a total of 19 seconds to revocer from the KD.

[Zerwas1]

Its a ten second long 8count and some refs take longer time to send a fighter to the neutral corner.BIG DEAL
Just youtube and you can find8counts like that in america, about 100 of them.

The second video is as far as I remember an unexperienced ref from SPAIN who was used never again as a ref by Sauerland.

I agree there have been a lot of cruel things in germany, but you got even more in america, because there happened more fights.

[Hitman932]

The second video is as far as I remember an unexperienced ref from SPAIN who was used never again as a ref by that promotional company.

Who hires inexperienced Spanish refs for big time fights?

Someone who needs someone to cheat for them that's who, and someone who knows that inexperience will be the only legit denial of what really transpired.

Hernandez is a Sauerland Event fighter, trained by Wegner. Somehow good things always happen for them..........

You cannot tell me that Sauerland should not be held to a higher standard than hiring terrible refs who clearly help their fighters through "inexperience"

[HOMETOWNCHAMP]

Another nice 8 count here, this time the ref helps Hernandez to his feet and then begins the count after 7-8 seconds and after Hernandez had risen. I watched the fight in real time and Hernandez gets a total of 19 seconds to revocer from the KD.

OMG thats the first time Ive ever seen anything that screwed up. If i was the other guy i would have started raising hell. Do you have a vid of this with commentary? I really want to know what the commenter's were saying about this.

[Pullcounter]

we all know that fighting in germany = robbery.

[Zerwas1]

Who hires inexperienced Spanish refs for big time fights?

Someone who needs someone to cheat for them that's who, and someone who knows that inexperience will be the only legit denial of what really transpired.

Hernandez is a Sauerland Event fighter, trained by Wegner. Somehow good things always happen for them..........

You cannot tell me that Sauerland should not be held to a higher standard than hiring terrible refs who clearly help their fighters through "inexperience"

It was a prospect against an ex champ who lost 3 of his last 4.
I'm as angry as you, i was like WTF at that fight, but think at how often there is a judge/ref without experience. As far as I remember they had another Ref for the main bout and they didn't hire him again.

What's your opinion on Casamayor - Santa Cruz?
Taylor - Chavez?
Think about olympia who many asian fighters got help from the judges?
A german fighter was robbed there,too.

[Hitman932]

It was a prospect against an ex champ who lost 3 of his last 4.
I'm as angry as you, i was like WTF at that fight, but think at how often there is a judge/ref without experience. As far as I remember they had another Ref for the main bout and they didn't hire him again.

What's your opinion on Casamayor - Santa Cruz?
Taylor - Chavez?
Think about olympia who many asian fighters got help from the judges?
A german fighter was robbed there,too.

Not hiring someone again hardly proves that Sauerland is on the up and up here. I'm not trying to be a **** here but look at the situation.

Hernandez was an undefeated Olympic Medalist who defected from Cuba, they had spent a lot of money on developing him and getting him to the brink of a world title fight. You can critisise Braithwaite's record leading up to it but the fact remains that there were 2 minor titles on the line that would lead the winning fighter to become ranked by both the WBC and WBA. That is a big fight for everyone involved.

When you hire somebody that doesen't know what they are doing and they screw up and then disappear forever that s fishy to me. It is also a little too convenient. It makes more sense if you were going to pay off refs to pick random people and then get rid of them than to have a house ref who everyone recognizes who regularly helps house fighters win.

To answer your questions:

About Taylor-Chavez, Whether or not that fight should have been stopped is highly debateable. I don't want to argue about it but I will just say that it was a long time ago and I would hope the sport has come along since then, and in regard to Richard Steele he is viewed as a crook and a criminal by many so it is not as if he went undetected or was not harshly critiqued for his performance.

About SantaCruz-Casa- I don't dispute for a second that the decision was garbage but this thread is about the officials in the ring affecting the outcome of the fight not about incompetant judging, which happens everywhere.

My point is simply that these refs consistently give the German fighter an edge even if it is small. It may not seem like much but getting a 16 seconds 8 count instead of a 10 second 8 count can be the difference between getting knocked out and surviving the round.

[Hook]

it's not worth going to war again over

[The Gully Gad]

I dont know why any fighter bothers fighting in Germany
there all pure teef's

U have to knock the other guy out to get a draw