In response to the what Calzaghe's resume SHOULD have looked like thread...

[lfcdynasty]

I went to school in Britain.....

well go back cause your doing it wrong...

[Mozza]

Since Calzaghe's fans are basically mostly cowards that put people on ignore when they can't handle the truth:

Let me just say this, the thesis of threads like that is completely wrong.

Making a thread like that and stating that he fought everyone in the SMW division is fine. He did.

Pointing out that the SMW was and is still **** is also fine. It is. People should not get **** for that response, because it's true.

Also when talking about Joe vs. Roy OR Bernard:

Get this straight- it's always incumbent on the guy with LESS popularity to make fights happen. Period.

Not the guy with the bargaining power. I know this statement will invariably fly by most of the nuthuggers but consider it closely.

Saying no one wanted a piece of Joe or "no one wanted to know" is ******ed. It's never the champs fault to chase after some guy with a WBO trinket (back then it was) or for him to see out challengers (Roy vs. Joe). This makes no sense. And if a guy is more popular again, he historically doesn't seek out guys who are obscure. It's not his job to make them a star (Hopkins vs. Joe).

If Joe REALLY wanted these fights back then, he would have taken the Tarver route. Joe had too much ego and considered himself the "real champion" and never pursued it like he should have if he really wanted the fame he thought he deserved.

Also saying Roy ducked Joe or Roy pulled out fights against Joe is insane.



Is it his "fault" his resume is average? That's debatable. But it is what it is.

Hopkins priced himself out of a fight with Joe - that is a fact. A fight with Jones didn't make sense to Roy.

[lfcdynasty]

You can't read for ****. What is your other alt account. This is obviously an alt you are using.

Man up. Don't be a cowardly *****.

No this is not an alt, like i said i have a life off this forum. And on that note its time to go have lunch with the missus.

Enjoy crywanking over calzaghe - hopkins

[ALT=_=Assassin]

well go back cause your doing it wrong...

No, I just emailed my professor and he said that was the right equation.

[Testdead]

I understand but that won't do anything. The mods ban random people around here and let trolls and racists go unchecked. I understand the too old, but I'm still having fun with these idiots. They are sad pathetic little people.

But yeah like I said, Joe's fans aren't all ******s. You are very reasonable even though I don't agree with most of what you say. Having some logic that makes sense in some way is the key here, and that's what morons like braindead miss.

"The mods ban random people around here and let trolls and racists go unchecked"


clearly not you should be banned 20x over.

You are an idiot.

[Vivid Intent]

Did you see the Hops vs. Winky fight? did you see his stamina fade badly during the end? of course you didn't. You're just either a new fan or another ****** cowardly alt.

Did you actually look without your Joe Calzaghe ****sucker fanboy goggles and watch how many punches Joe actually LANDED on Hopkins in their fight? If you had a brain in your head, which you don't, you'd notice that it wasn't a hell of a lot of clean punches. So why was his punch output dropping as the fight went on? Magically slaps of death? Get real.

The reason I haven't broken down your post yet is that you don't understand paragraphs, and can't even spell words like "exaggerated" correctly. Who is supposed to decipher that nonsense?

From what I can see you think clinching takes out so much energy that it causes you to fade late in a fight. Guess that's it then. That's your reason. Piss ****ing poor, just like all Joe fans.

Hopkins stamina has been in question since the Taylor fights, no matter how you want to spin it. He's old. He looked good against Tarver and Pavlik two guys who STOPPED fighting back after about Round 3-4. Anyone who has decent stamina can beat on people not fighting back.

Lol@Joe's split decision slap a thon being better than any win Roy or Bernard have. Yeah okay. Since you brought up compu-FAIL like the complete joke that you are, you might want to go back and learn how to count CLEAN punches instead of Joe hitting Bernard's arms, back of his head, elbows and pretty much everything but him. I know this will shock you but this is NOT Olympic boxing.

To call that a great win is straight ******ed (over a 43 year old man no less) by using "p4p" (oddly the first time Joe has sacked up and taken anyone on that subjective list) and then turning around and saying that Roy's win over Toney (p4p 1 as I recall) doesn't count. ****ing hilarious. Get Joe's **** out your mouth. I guess we forgot Roy jumping to Heavyweight or beating Tarver or the rematch with Griffin (hey when is Joe gonna give Robin Reid a rematch?)

At best it's a win. A good win. Great win? Yeah he'd have to actually have cleanly hit Hopkins a few times for us to call it great wouldn't we?

You had to wait until I said I was going to reply, I thought you said you weren't going to waste your time? Typical cowardly act by bsjizcrack.

Hopkins faded badly against Winky? LOL...Hopkins finished the stronger man down the stetch. Wright had his success earlier but Hopkins was in charge down the stretch and had a big 12th round. And you question whether i've seen the fight? How embarrassing for you. Word of advice, don't depend on message board myths for boxing knowledge, go out and watch the ****ing fight and get your own opinion. You'd get alot more respect that making stuff up and going by youtube 2 minute highlights. I doubt you've ever boxed with some of the **** you're spewing here, your knowledge of the game is D-level.

Hopkins tired against Calzaghe because he hadn't been pressured as effectively as that in his career. Who has ever pressured Hopkins like that? I can predict what you're gonna say next, "how can slaps have an effect"...most of Calzaghe's opponents say he punches harder than it looks. It's ******ed to say they aren't having an effect. And anyone who's boxed will tell you that clinching expends energy, he chose to do this from the opening bell to stop Calzaghe from getting his combinations off and outworking him. Also, slipping and sliding shots and being on the move constantly takes it out of you. It also takes a strain mentally. It's not a co-incidence that all Joe's opponents have faded when he's fully fit. It's what happens when you apply educated pressure.

Pavlik stopped throwing after 3 rounds? The first 1/4 of the fight he was at his least active. Have you ever watched a boxing match? And yeah, Calzaghe's win over Hopkins (who is still an eilte P4P fighter) ****s on anything Roy Jones or Hopkins have achieved in terms of individual wins. Call it a SD all you want but the HBO panal and the Setanta panal had Joe winning, and he sweeped 23/36 rounds on the judges scorecards. If you're going to call Jones' win over Toney better when Toney was so badly drained that he was advised not to fight, you might aswell rank Pacquiao's win over DLH as a great win. You think Tarver and Griffin were better wins? LOL..Griffin gave Roy a real tough fight in the first fight and alot of people had him ahead before Roy got DQ'd. It's laughable that you'd rank those wins higher than Calzaghe beating Hopkins. He's produced some of his best performances since moving up to a more natural 175. Schooling P4P fighter in Tarver, beating an elite P4Per in Winky Wright, losing a competitive fight to an elite P4Per in Calzaghe, then schooling another P4P fighter in Pavlik. This can't be refuted because it's Hopkins best period of his career. He's just a freak of nature and an exception to the age rule.

"I'm staying in the gym just to stay in shape. Right now I'm walking around at 182 to 183-pounds. I live right. I get my rest. My skin is clear and shiny. I turned 44 on January 15 and I think I'm in better shape than the average 25-year-old. At 44 I think it's a testimony to my past and a testimony to my good genetics," - Bernard Hopkins

Calzaghe was the favorite going in. Too bad your Union Jack blinders make you forget stuff like that. Check vegas sports books.

And now you're saying Hopkins was a LITTLE past his prime? HAHHAA. Right. And Joe is close to as out of his prime as he is? Since you used this argument for Hops, try this one: Aren't all of Calzaghe's "Best" wins recently? So how out of his prime is he?

And are you seriously arguing that he didn't just outwork Hopkins? And then saying that Pavlik and Joe are similar fighters so all Pavlik had to do was outwork Hopkins? WOW.

The guy said he was a "red hot favourite" against Calzaghe and Calzaghe was expected to win easily.

It was more or less a pick'em fight for boxing fans and experts, Calzaghe was the slight favourite. http://www.bet123.net/wp/other-sport...etting-preview

The guy also said all Calzaghe could do was outwork him as if he had no skills, in that case Pavlik or anyone with a high workrate could just outwork someone, it doesn't work like that. Just look at Mosley-Margarito.

And yeah, Hopkins is only a little past his prime, he makes up for that with ring craft and knowledge of the game that's second to none. I'm a big fan. Loved his destruction of Trinidad, loved his performace against the underrated Antwun Echols, loved his anhialation of Glen Johnson (although Johnson peaked unusually late in his career) but Hopkins' best period of his career has come when he moved up from MW, the extra weight helped him because he had been boiling down to MW for so long. I had him avenging the Taylor loss aswell btw, they're 1-1 for me. If I was a nuthugger I'd score both fights to Hopkins because they were close.

I know this is hard to digest because you're a closed-minded idiot but Hopkins is still around his peak, the same with Calzaghe. He's aged well also. The only thing about him is he doesn't have nearly the same power he once did. His hand problems were so bad that he's had to go with NO SPARRING at all building up to 2 or 3 fights. Eubank said Calzaghe caught him with the hardest shot he'd been hit with and he was in with big punchers (Nigel Benn twice and Carl Thompson twice who is a CW who stopped Haye).

[IMDAZED]

You had to wait until I said I was going to reply, I thought you said you weren't going to waste your time? Typical cowardly act by bsjizcrack.

Hopkins faded badly against Winky? LOL...Hopkins finished the stronger man down the stetch. Wright had his success earlier but Hopkins was in charge down the stretch and had a big 12th round. And you question whether i've seen the fight? How embarrassing for you. Word of advice, don't depend on message board myths for boxing knowledge, go out and watch the ****ing fight and get your own opinion. You'd get alot more respect that making stuff up and going by youtube 2 minute highlights. I doubt you've ever boxed with some of the **** you're spewing here, your knowledge of the game is D-level.

Hopkins tired against Calzaghe because he hadn't been pressured as effectively as that in his career. Who has ever pressured Hopkins like that? Antwun Echols pressured Hopkins 10 years ago but it wasn't as intense as Calzaghe's pressure. I can predict what you're gonna say next, "how can slaps have an effect"...most of Calzaghe's opponents say he punches harder than it looks. It's ******ed to say they aren't having an effect. And anyone who's boxed will tell you that clinching expends energy, he chose to do this from the opening bell to stop Calzaghe from getting his combinations off and outworking him. Also, slipping and sliding shots and being on the move constantly takes it out of you. It also takes a strain mentally. It's not a co-incidence that all Joe's opponents have faded when he's fully fit. It's what happens when you apply educated pressure.

Pavlik stopped throwing after 3 rounds? The first 1/4 of the fight he was at his least active. Have you ever watched a boxing match? And yeah, Calzaghe's win over Hopkins (who is still an eilte P4P fighter) ****s on anything Roy Jones or Hopkins have achieved in terms of individual wins. Call it a SD all you want but the HBO panal and the Setanta panal had Joe winning, and he sweeped 23/36 rounds on the judges scorecards. If you're going to call Jones' win over Toney better when Toney was so badly drained that he was advised not to fight, you might aswell rank Pacquiao's win over DLH as a great win. You think Tarver and Griffin were better wins? LOL..Griffin gave Roy a real tough fight in the first fight and alot of people had him ahead before Roy got DQ'd. It's laughable that you'd rank those wins higher than Calzaghe beating Hopkins. He's produced some of his best performances since moving up to a more natural 175. Schooling P4P fighter in Tarver, beating an elite P4Per in Winky Wright, losing a competitive fight to an elite P4Per in Calzaghe, then schooling another P4P fighter in Pavlik. This can't be refuted because it's Hopkins best period of his career. He's just a freak of nature and an exception to the age rule.

"I'm staying in the gym just to stay in shape. Right now I'm walking around at 182 to 183-pounds. I live right. I get my rest. My skin is clear and shiny. I turned 44 on January 15 and I think I'm in better shape than the average 25-year-old. At 44 I think it's a testimony to my past and a testimony to my good genetics," - Bernard Hopkins



The guy said he was a "red hot favourite" against Calzaghe and Calzaghe was expected to win easily.

It was more or less a pick'em fight for boxing fans and experts, Calzaghe was the slight favourite. http://www.bet123.net/wp/other-sport...etting-preview

The guy also said all Calzaghe could do was outwork him as if he had no skills, in that case Pavlik or anyone with a high workrate could just outwork someone, it doesn't work like that. Just look at Mosley-Margarito.

And yeah, Hopkins is only a little past his prime, he makes up for that with ring craft and knowledge of the game that's second to none. I'm a big fan. Loved his destruction of Trinidad, loved his performace against the underrated Antwun Echols, loved his anhialation of Glen Johnson (although Johnson peaked unusually late in his career) but Hopkins' best period of his career has come when he moved up from MW, the extra weight helped him because he had been boiling down to MW for so long. I had him avenging the Taylor loss aswell btw, they're 1-1 for me. If I was a nuthugger I'd score both fights to Hopkins because they were close.

I know this is hard to digest because you're a closed-minded idiot but Hopkins is still around his peak, the same with Calzaghe. He's aged well also. The only thing about him is he doesn't have nearly the same power he once did. His hand problems were so bad that he's had to go with NO SPARRING at all building up to 2 or 3 fights. Eubank said Calzaghe caught him with the hardest shot he'd been hit with and he was in with big punchers (Nigel Benn twice and Carl Thompson twice who is a CW who stopped Haye).

**Reads bold**

Great, not your average idiot, a long-winded one.

[Vivid Intent]

**Reads bold**

Great, not your average idiot, a long-winded one.

I don't hear you refuting it.

And btw, I'm talking about individual win, not overall success.

[IMDAZED]

I don't hear you refuting it.

And btw, I'm talking about individual win, not overall success.

Good...I'm glad you mention individual not overall. Because if you think that's true, you couldn't possibly believe a win over:

a 43yr old fighter coming off a close win over a lifetime junior middle, and two losses before that is better than:

A win over a mid-20's, fellow titlist ranked in the top three pound for pound and undefeated in 45 fights or,

A win over a mid-20's, fellow titlist considered the best fighter in the game and the hottest in the sport as well as being undefeated in 40 fights.

Especially when the first was a controversial split decision, the second a shutout and the third a twelfth round KO.

Good night.

[Hook]

The guy said Calzaghe was a "red hot favourite" against Hopkins and Calzaghe was expected to win easily.

Listen bird brain, you're obviously not old enough to bet.

Calzaghe was a clear bookie favourite, that is a indisputable fact.