kelly pavluck admits he doesnt want to fight abraham in germany!!!

[Kris Silver]

Nearly all of the worst decisions I've ever seen happened in the U.S. Yeah, I know about Ottke, I know about Michalchewszki but have you seen...De La Hoya?

Anyway, it's about who's in the driver's seat, not where they're from. Pavlik is in the driver's seat so of course I don't expect him to go anywhere else. But there's pretty much an equal chance of Abraham getting a bad decision in the US as there is vice versa. Doesn't matter anyway, I highly doubt Abraham can make 160.

Nice post IMDAZED. The thing is, I really don't sell up to the whole idea of having to fight in the 'man's backyard'. If they're willing to and it all makes sense, great. But if it means same/more money and making the fight, who the hell cares. Boxing is a global sport, be a professional athlete and get it on. Abraham has shown he's willing to come to the US and did so by brutal KO of a guy Pavlik had a bit of trouble with at times, Arthur called out several people respectfully. Before he did that I'm sure there were excuses of he probably wouldn't come to the US.

Now, it's, we wouldn't fight in Germany because of blah blah blah, well why even mention that when Arthurs said he's also willing to fight in your back yard? It just seems odd and indicates a mentality of excuses, to note such an irrelevant one where the guys already said he'd fight you in your home.

As for Abraham making 160, that genuinely is a possibility he wont be able to beyond 09, wouldn't be surprised at all. The only reason he's battling on there is to fight Pavlik, and Kelly/Arum are messing around whilst accepting it's the best and main fight to prove whom the best MW is once and for all. If the fight doesn't come off you cannot say it wasn't through Abraham not being willing to, he wants that fight where ever, and whenever, asap.

[ALT=_=Assassin]

I am still waiting for a link to verify if Pavlik even said this. Where did you get this quote from?

[IMDAZED]

Nice post IMDAZED. The thing is, I really don't sell up to the whole idea of having to fight in the 'man's backyard'. If they're willing to and it all makes sense, great. But if it means same/more money and making the fight, who the hell cares. Boxing is a global sport, be a professional athlete and get it on. Abraham has shown he's willing to come to the US and did so by brutal KO of a guy Pavlik had a bit of trouble with at times, Arthur called out several people respectfully. Before he did that I'm sure there were excuses of he probably wouldn't come to the US.

Now, it's, we wouldn't fight in Germany because of blah blah blah, well why even mention that when Arthurs said he's also willing to fight in your back yard? It just seems odd and indicates a mentality of excuses, to note such an irrelevant one where the guys already said he'd fight you in your home.

As for Abraham making 160, that genuinely is a possibility he wont be able to beyond 09, wouldn't be surprised at all. The only reason he's battling on there is to fight Pavlik, and Kelly/Arum are messing around whilst accepting it's the best and main fight to prove whom the best MW is once and for all. If the fight doesn't come off you cannot say it wasn't through Abraham not being willing to, he wants that fight where ever, and whenever, asap.

I tell you what, prior to Saturday night I thought Pavlik would send Abraham into space. I'm not surprised Arum is looking to delay that fight as long as he can - I'm not so certain Kelly still has that belief in himself. Plus, God his defense is awful.

[Mr. Ryan]

It's understandable, really. Pavlik is the champion of the division, he beat the man who beat the man. While Abraham has looked very good of late, his best win was Edison Miranda. That's Pavlik's second best win, sandwiched between a pair of Jermain Taylor wins.

I too would be concerned with going to Germany and trying to get a fair shake. I say have the fight in Vegas, the international championship proving grounds.

[DA1CATAS]

I think pavlik has the right to stay in america... dude has all the belts he needs to be in the drivers seat..

Regardless of what i think about his performance the other night He should be able to fight right at home where the money will be good.

[mrlopez]

“Abraham, he’s the guy that everybody thinks is the middleweight champ, and that makes me mad. I do want that fight,” Pavlik said. “(But) for me to go to Germany for peanuts, to his hometown, the only way to take him out is on a stretcher. You go the whole 12 rounds, you’re not going to win the fight. It happens all the time over there. We just got to see what happens and what opens up.”

hes blinded by the miranda fight with the overblown fouls.....but how the hell you gonna get robbed in germany when you look like a damn skinhead yourself....and germans could use the same excuse like felix sturm robbed against de la jotto........hes pullin a classic roy yones move

The Ghost is right, germany sux if you're not fromt there or adopted that country as yours.........more money to fight here anyway.....

LOL, everyone knows Germany is a disgrace and the most corrupt boxing country in the world. Pavlik is right not to fight there. See the first Danny Green-Markus Beyer fight. It was one of the most disgraceful things I have ever seen.

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Co-sign to the fullest

[Addition]

The fight should happen in America, Pavlik is the man and he shouldn't have to go anywhere. AA will come to America to fight Pavlik, i'm sure of that.

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Off the top of my head I can think of far more disgraceful officiating and judging in the States recently than in Germany. Toney v Oquendo... The 5:10 min round... Cintron v Martinez... Santa Cruz v Casamayor... Bute v Andrade...To name a few.

5:10 min round and Bute v Andrade were not in the states

[ragingvic]

Greatest thread ever, over 10 pgs of arguing back and forth while the TS has never provided a link for a quote which really does not fit the personality of the fighter it attributed to.

[ALT=_=Assassin]

Greatest thread ever, over 10 pgs of arguing back and forth while the TS has never provided a link for a quote which really does not fit the personality of the fighter it attributed to.

Exactly, not one link to a source and people take a known Pavlik haters word for it.