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    ‘The Ring’ likens Pacquiao to Armstrong

    Saturday, February 21, 2009


    ‘The Ring’ likens Pacquiao to Armstrong

    By Jun Medina, Special Correspondent

    Being considered a modern version of the legendary Henry Armstrong–regarded by experts as one of the best boxers, if not the best, of all time—is probably the biggest compliment that can be given to any boxer of the present generation.

    And that’s exactly what The Ring Magazine, considered the “the Bible of Boxing” did as it showcased current pound-for-pound top boxer Manny Pacquiao along Armstrong in a six-page spread in its April issue.

    The great Henry “Homicide Hank”Armstrong is the only boxer in history to win three world titles in different weight classes when there were only eight weight classifications and long before the alphabet title sanctioning bodies came into being.

    “For not only had [Armstrong] once swept the featherweight, lightweight and welterweight championships in a 10-month period, but he’s embarked on a schedule that was punishing as the sport itself, defending the welterweight crown 18 times during a two-year period,” wrote Don Stradley in his article titled “The Modern-Day Henry Armstrong.”

    Of course, Pacquiao duplicated or almost came close to duplicating Armstrong’s record in a nine-month span in 2008.

    Pacquiao, 30, decked the durable The Ring and World Boxing Council super featherweight champ Juan Manuel Marquez en route to a split decision on March 15. He then scored a ninth round knock out to snatch Mexican American David Diaz’s WBC lightweight title on June 28.

    And he capped his best year as a prizefighter on December 6 with a stunning eight round technical knockout of pay-per-view superstar Oscar De La Hoya, a 10-time world champion in six different weight classes.

    Fight historian Bert Sugar, however, cautioned against comparing the peerless Armstrong with the four-division world champion Pacquiao.

    “He [Pacquiao] may be the best Asian fighter of all-time, and perhaps the best southpaw of all-time. But you can’t compare him to Armstrong, because no one compares to Armstrong.” Sugar told The Ring.

    Stradley wrote that the numbers put out by Armstrong were staggering: he defeated 15 world champions at a time when there was only one champion per weight class. Ten of these champions were installed into the International Boxing Hall of Fame like Armstrong.

    In October 1939, Armstrong made four title defenses–or an average of one title fight a week when title fights were 15 rounds, Stradley said

    “Where Pacquiao also differs from Armstrong is that he doesn’t have the aura of invincibility that glowed around Armstrong,” Stradley said. Armstrong would win 27 bouts that year, 26 by knockout.

    Armstrong actually planned to win the three different titles at the advice of actor George Raft and boxing manager Eddie Meade who partnered to be his promoters and managers.

    During that era, heavyweight fighters were the big draws and top earners, and winning three unprece*dented world titles in 10 months was Armstrong’s strategy for getting the attention he deserved.

    Comparing the two great boxers’ jump to the welterweight class, Stradley said Pacquiao (who started his career at 106 pounds or flyweight), was even more impressive than Armstrong, who debuted at 120 pounds.

    Armstrong scored a unanimous decision over then welterweight titlist Barney Ross, while Pacquiao forced De La Hoya to retire on his stool. Moreover, Stradley said, Pacquiao fought a bigger opponent with longer wingspan, as compared to Armstrong who fought a foe about his size.

    In a sidebar “Pacman vs. Homicide Hank” Stradley extrapolated what might have happened if the two great fighters had an imaginary encounter, which he said would have been “the real dream match.”

    Stradley said a fight by the two warriors in their younger years would have likely resulted in Homicide Hank “clawing Pacman to bloody submission, probably winning by late-round TKO.”

    But in a clash between them as more mature fighters would have ended differently, Stradley surmised.

    “Pacquiao is now a sharpshooter, jumping in, doing his damage and jumping out. The Pacquiao of recent vintage might earn a decision over Armstrong,” he said.
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    I feel sick when people compare Armstrong to Pacman. Lets really get into Pacman so called Armstrong like run.

    Wins ring title at 130 against JMM. Did he even really win the fight when even Ring Magazine scored it for 114-113Marquez
    He does not even deserve to hold the ring title at all.
    Then he goes on to beat Diaz the weakest titlist at LW. A bum pretty much and finally beats Oscar a guy who had not fought at 147 since 2001 and was not ranked in top 10 nor had a belt.

    In 1940, Armstrong challenged Ceferino Garcia for the World Middleweight Title. Garcia retained the title with a draw, but most at ringside felt that Armstrong had won. A victory would have given Armstrong a fourth divisional title at a time when there were only eight weight divisions.
    If it was today Armstrong would held belt at 130 135,140,147,154 and 160
    Last edited by Sugar May Floyd; 02-20-2009, 12:50 PM.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Sugar May Floyd
      I feel sick when people compare Armstrong to Pacman. Lets really get into Pacman so called Armstrong like run.

      Wins ring title at 130 against JMM. Did he even really win the fight when even Ring Magazine scored it for 114-113Marquez
      He does not even deserve to hold the ring title at all.
      Then he goes on to beat Diaz the weakest titlist at LW. A bum pretty much and finally beats Oscar a guy who had not fought at 147 since 2001 and was not ranked in top 10 nor had a belt.

      In 1940, Armstrong challenged Ceferino Garcia for the World Middleweight Title. Garcia retained the title with a draw, but most at ringside felt that Armstrong had won. A victory would have given Armstrong a fourth divisional title at a time when there were only eight weight divisions.
      If it was today Armstrong would held belt at 135,140,147,154 and 160
      I'm Sugar May Floyd I will always discredit any potential opponents of Floyd.

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        I feel sick when people compare Sugar Ray Leonard to Floyd Mayweather Jr..

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          I think the comparision of pac to armstrong are fair but armstong's run is more impressive.

          but honestly its impossible to judge between 2 fighters of 2 very differnt and distinct generations.

          in other words pac is armstrong-ish, but not truly comparable.

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            Sugar Ray Leonard who is my all-time favorite fighter fought and defeated other All time Greats such as Duran, Hagler and Hearns (also Benitez) is around number 10 to 20 in the ATG list should not be compared to Floyd Jr. who at best is at number 40 to 50 in the list. Floyd barely fought an ATG and only a few HOF.

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              "Pacquiao forced De La Hoya to retire on his stool."

              That sounds gross.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Pullcounter
                I think the comparision of pac to armstrong are fair but armstong's run is more impressive.

                but honestly its impossible to judge between 2 fighters of 2 very differnt and distinct generations.

                in other words pac is armstrong-ish, but not truly comparable.


                Fair as in they won titles at multiple weights?

                they sure as hell dont fight alike.

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                  Originally posted by Sugar May Floyd
                  I feel sick when people compare Armstrong to Pacman. Lets really get into Pacman so called Armstrong like run.

                  Wins ring title at 130 against JMM. Did he even really win the fight when even Ring Magazine scored it for 114-113Marquez
                  He does not even deserve to hold the ring title at all.
                  Then he goes on to beat Diaz the weakest titlist at LW. A bum pretty much and finally beats Oscar a guy who had not fought at 147 since 2001 and was not ranked in top 10 nor had a belt.

                  In 1940, Armstrong challenged Ceferino Garcia for the World Middleweight Title. Garcia retained the title with a draw, but most at ringside felt that Armstrong had won. A victory would have given Armstrong a fourth divisional title at a time when there were only eight weight divisions.
                  If it was today Armstrong would held belt at 130 135,140,147,154 and 160

                  They just made a comparison between their careers. They didn't say he's better. Calm the **** down homey.

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                    Originally posted by Sugar May Floyd
                    I feel sick when people compare Armstrong to Pacman. Lets really get into Pacman so called Armstrong like run.

                    Wins ring title at 130 against JMM. Did he even really win the fight when even Ring Magazine scored it for 114-113Marquez
                    He does not even deserve to hold the ring title at all.
                    Then he goes on to beat Diaz the weakest titlist at LW. A bum pretty much and finally beats Oscar a guy who had not fought at 147 since 2001 and was not ranked in top 10 nor had a belt.

                    In 1940, Armstrong challenged Ceferino Garcia for the World Middleweight Title. Garcia retained the title with a draw, but most at ringside felt that Armstrong had won. A victory would have given Armstrong a fourth divisional title at a time when there were only eight weight divisions.
                    If it was today Armstrong would held belt at 130 135,140,147,154 and 160
                    If it were today Armstrong would have never fought above 140. Different times. Lol at you suggesting he could even compete at 154 let alone win a belt. Have you even seen footage of Armstrong?

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