Arthur Abraham's Team Begins To Bait Kelly Pavlik

[Hitman932]

I just don't like disrespect when its unwarranted.

Well I consider it disrespectful by Abraham's people to come out publicly acting like they will come to America to fight Kelly Pavlik when everyone in the world knows it isn't true.

Pavlik will make an offer for Abraham to come stateside and Sauerland will reject it saying it is not enough money. Then they will continue their harassment of Pavlik in the media with the only goal to be to goad Pavlik into coming to Germany where he can screwed on the cards and go home a loser.

Abraham's string of defenses is one of, if not the worst, in boxing by a relevant and well known champion.

I happen to be friends with Brian Vera's manager and he is Germany sparring with Arthur for the Simon fight. After one sparring session they want Vera out of camp because he was too rough and crude and Arthur didn't like it. Abraham's people are withholding payment to Vera at this point and displaying the class of people that they truly are.

[ragingvic]

Convenient that you left McKart, Zertuche, Miranda (who didn't shatter Pavlik's jaw like he did AA) and Taylor x 2 (who was the true, lineal middleweight champion) off of the list of fighters Pavlik has beat.

Heres a couple facts for you Zertuche was coming off his third loss from none other then the great Zuniga when he fought Pavlik. Just cause you saw him on HBO it does not make him a legit contender. Second Mcart was not only past his prime, 36 yrs old, but he was also ciming off his sixth loss aginst Travis Simms, who you ask, exactly.
Look fact of the matter is that if you remove Taylor from the equation (he lost to BHOP) AA has the better resume, FACT. Since Pavlik is AAs Taylor we wont know the result until they fight, end of story.

[ragingvic]

Well I consider it disrespectful by Abraham's people to come out publicly acting like they will come to America to fight Kelly Pavlik when everyone in the world knows it isn't true.

Pavlik will make an offer for Abraham to come stateside and Sauerland will reject it saying it is not enough money. Then they will continue their harassment of Pavlik in the media with the only goal to be to goad Pavlik into coming to Germany where he can screwed on the cards and go home a loser.

Abraham's string of defenses is one of, if not the worst, in boxing by a relevant and well known champion.

I happen to be friends with Brian Vera's manager and he is Germany sparring with Arthur for the Simon fight. After one sparring session they want Vera out of camp because he was too rough and crude and Arthur didn't like it. Abraham's people are withholding payment to Vera at this point and displaying the class of people that they truly are.

Get a life and stop hating. AA could have fought anyone he wanted but he willingly took a fight with MIranda in his hometown for less money in a fight many picked him to lose. So dont give that bs about AA being afraid. Second of all just because you know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who told a story doesnt mean we take your word for proof.

[KJB]

Jack Loew (his last name describes him well, because he's low class) lied in statements he made about Abraham not wanting the fight.

Arthur is more than willing to come to the US to fight Kelly.

Oh really? So you know this for a fact?
We have a case of conflicting reports people. That doesnt mean anyone is lying.

[Hitman932]

Second of all just because you know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who told a story doesnt mean we take your word for proof.

You don't invite someone across the ocean to spar and then send them home after one day regardless of what transpires. Don't care if you take my word or not, if they don't pay Vera you will hear about it soon enough.

[KJB]

Heres a couple facts for you Zertuche was coming off his third loss from none other then the great Zuniga when he fought Pavlik. Just cause you saw him on HBO it does not make him a legit contender. Second Mcart was not only past his prime, 36 yrs old, but he was also ciming off his sixth loss aginst Travis Simms, who you ask, exactly.
Look fact of the matter is that if you remove Taylor from the equation (he lost to BHOP) AA has the better resume, FACT. Since Pavlik is AAs Taylor we wont know the result until they fight, end of story.

Hahaha if you remove Taylor from the equation. How about we just look at who actually has a better resume.

[Landshark]

If you believe Sauerland when he says Abraham will come to America then I have a nice piece of land on the North Pole I want to sell you.

Abraham will not leave Germany, FACT!

Pavlik has knocked out the same guy who is Abraham's biggest win, FACT!

Abraham has made a string of title defenses that make Erdei look good, FACT!

Abraham has never been in the ring with a real world champ, he fought for a vacant title and has defended against nobody, FACT!

The American boxing fan thinks more highly of Abraham than the German Sporting Press, FACT!

Kelly Pavlik will easily beat Abraham because he will throw way more punches and will not get stopped by one punch, FACT!

He already came to America to fight a p4p puncher who broke his jaw in HIS backyard against ALL odds(you were probably one of the majority who thought miranda was going to send abraham to the morgue) FACT!

Pavlik figts Rubio who was knocked out within a minute by an opponent Arthur has beaten! FACT

Pavlik is beats mckart lockett and most probably rubio, loses to a 43 year old bhop in one of the most one sided beat downs in recent memory FACT!

Abraham has defended his belt numerous times knocking everyone the fawk out FACT!

The American Public knows Pavlik is a one dimensional flat footed fighter with a double the jab right hand! The American Public also knows arthur has underated defense and p4p power= KTFO the hittable PAVLIK FACT!

Pavlik taylor 1, any other referree fight would have been stopped FACT
Pavlik Taylor 2, the right score was a draw or a taylor win FACT

Jermain taylor is ARGUABLY the most controversial middleweight of all time! FACT

Thank you very much, you are facts I consider "peeleft:!

[MELLY-MEL...]

Heres a couple facts for you Zertuche was coming off his third loss from none other then the great Zuniga when he fought Pavlik. Just cause you saw him on HBO it does not make him a legit contender. Second Mcart was not only past his prime, 36 yrs old, but he was also ciming off his sixth loss aginst Travis Simms, who you ask, exactly.
Look fact of the matter is that if you remove Taylor from the equation (he lost to BHOP) AA has the better resume, FACT. Since Pavlik is AAs Taylor we wont know the result until they fight, end of story.

actually taylor is aa's taylor. he was champ before kelly, and should have been fighting big fights for the title quite a time before pavlik but he chose to stay in comfort, rather than climbing on the world stage for a title shot. arthur could have, and should have been in the mix way b4 pavlik. it was his choice so lets not try and act like pavlik must bend over backwards, and fight aa because now aa wants to be in the mix. he has had plenty of time to make his own way, but refused to. so blame him. he is the one who has stayed in germany, and is obscure to most. pavlik beat the man..........after paying his dues on the way up. he was a no one, and forced the shot for the title by beating all if front of him, fighting all over the country, and on **** cards, for piss money, and eventually it got him the crack at taylor. and arthur?

[Hitman932]

Hahaha if you remove Taylor from the equation. How about we just look at who actually has a better resume.

LolZ, if he wants to subtract the 2 Taylor fights from Kelly's resume then it is only fair to subtract both Miranda fights from Abrahams, which leaves Arthur with what kind of resume exactly?

[Hitman932]

arthur could have, and should have been in the mix way b4 pavlik. it was his choice so lets not try and act like pavlik must bend over backwards, and fight aa because now aa wants to be in the mix. he has had plenty of time to make his own way, but refused to. so blame him. he is the one who has stayed in germany, and is obscure to most. pavlik beat the man..........after paying his dues on the way up.

Best post of the thread, spot on all points.

Karma for you. (If I can)


It looks like people are failing to realize Arthur was "World Champion" nearly 2 full years before Pavlik challenged Taylor.