Why Joan Guzman is Hype and Gets No respect!

[dondi330]

Like I said, alot of people that come up will face people with bad records. Again, welcome to boxing!

The easiest statement to make is the one that cant be backed up.
IE.
I forgot to tell you guys I had a street fight with Bernard Hopkins and beat him...but I cant prove it. No one saw it.

[El Dominicano]

Boxrec is not as reliable as you might think. They do not have a record of every boxer in the world, and certainly not every fight of the past 10-15 years.

It's probable that Guzman's opponents had more fights than boxrec claims, but that the details are not available because they were small shows in the Dominican Republic.

Either way, you shouldn't judge a Guzman (or anyone else) by the standard of opposition he faced early in his career.

As for the bold. Exactly what I been saying

[Sugar May Floyd]

Had he made weight against Campbell this hype train would have derailed like Juan Diaz

[dondi330]

Boxrec is not as reliable as you might think. They do not have a record of every boxer in the world, and certainly not every fight of the past 10-15 years.

It's probable that Guzman's opponents had more fights than boxrec claims, but that the details are not available because they were small shows in the Dominican Republic.

Either way, you shouldn't judge Guzman (or anyone else) by the standard of opposition he faced early in his career. It's what happens in the more important fights that really matters.

"Either way, you shouldn't judge a Guzman (or anyone else) by the standard of opposition he faced early in his career."
Early in his career consists of 14 fights which is HALF his career.
But I also mentioned his last 5 fights and the 28 losses. 1 2008 and 1 2007.

[El Dominicano]

The easiest statement to make is the one that cant be backed up.
IE.
I forgot to tell you guys I had a street fight with Bernard Hopkins and beat him...but I cant prove it. No one saw it.

I really don't understand what you point is in making this thread. You jump on every Guzman thread there is and yet you can't get enough and have to make your own discrediting the guy

Move on, Guzman isn't even a big name and has very few fans on boxingscene

[Pullcounter]

plenty of talent and attitude but not much to back it up

[AztecWanker]

Your hate for Guzman is almost as unbelievable as you bias for Puerto Rican fighters.

[dondi330]

Had he made weight against Campbell this hype train would have derailed like Juan Diaz

Well said....though I give Nate alot of respect ( he is old school) and has fought better comp than Guzman, including Diaz.....I would love to have seen what Guzman could do with some of the fighters Nate beat..IE , Funeka, Juan Diaz,Isaac Hlatshwayo, Casamayor.

[El Dominicano]

Your hate for Guzman is almost as unbelievable as you bias for Puerto Rican fighters.

Dondi should keep it up, soon everyone will know Guzman

[Clegg]

"Either way, you shouldn't judge a Guzman (or anyone else) by the standard of opposition he faced early in his career."
Early in his career consists of 14 fights which is HALF his career.

Look at it like this:

One guy is 40-0, and has basically beaten a bunch of clubfighters. Then he beats 3 prime HOFers.

Another guy is 18-0 and has beaten a bunch of clubfighters. Then he beats 2 prime HOFers.

Who has the better resume? It's the first guy. Why? Because it doesn't matter that he faced more clubfighters, what matters is that he faced and defeated more elite opposition.

But I also mentioned his last 5 fights and the 28 losses. 1 2008 and 1 2007.

I disagree with part of your post, not all of it.