If Pacquiao is to beat Hatton he MUST............

[Dynamite Kid]

We'll see when they actually step in the ring, I doubt we'll see an ultra-aggressive Pacquiao at first, maybe he'll start pushing Hatton back as the fight goes on if he feels Hatton is starting to weaken but I doubt he'll do that from the offset.

Anyways, there have been many examples on a fighter coming forward and not being effective all throughout history, Liston against Ali, La Motta against Robinson, Harding against McCallum etc. etc.

Im dont think Hatton will win, because i believe his durability has gone, but im willing to bet Hatton will have lots of success in the fight, if he is allowed to come foward. If we were talking Hatton pre Tszyu i think i would give the edge to Hatton, but i think he will do well in the fight and probably be ahead only to lose by TKO, because his durability has left him.

[Dynamite Kid]

Floyd also had the wiles and know-how to contain Hatton's inside threat (and use it against him at points) in the instances when the action was allowed to take place up close...I don't know if Pacquiao has that in his bag of tricks.


The consensus seems to be that Hatton needs to box his way into the mauling, to work behind a jab with head movement and thread his way in...but when has he really implemented that with a superior boxer? The higher the class of his opponent, the more Hatton seems to abandon his fundamentals. Ie. when faced with a superior boxer.
The same method with which he fought Tszyu is how I see Hatton succeeding against Pacquiao, assuming he has enough punch resistance left in the tank to cope with whatever degree of punishment he has to take coming in. And while I see Hatton eating some shots coming in that way...I got to consider that he ate shots coming in against a quality opponent like Kostya, but still won the fight....smothering a lot of the punishment he might otherwise have shipped purely by the hurtling, unstable, desperate flight of his passage to the inside, denying Kostya the leverage to get off fully...I look at what Hatton did in that fight and refuse to accept it as 'educated' or 'intelligent' pressure...(even when a jab was employed, it seemed like a sporadic, perfunctory gesture at times, not a consistent factor in the effectiveness of his attacks)...but that method overall worked by dint of its unorthodoxy and sheer balls, if being in no way technically sound.

That is a good post.

[Silencers]

Im dont think Hatton will win, because i believe his durability has gone, but im willing to bet Hatton will have lots of success in the fight, if he is allowed to come foward. If we were talking Hatton pre Tszyu i think i would give the edge to Hatton, but i think he will do well in the fight and probably be ahead only to lose by TKO, because his durability has left him.

I honestly believe that if Pacquiao stands his ground and tries to push Hatton back early, he would be in trouble, I think letting Hatton come forward and using angles, moving and counterpunching is the best option for him early on in the fight, he could start pushing Hatton back as the fight goes on when Hatton starts to fade and weaken but doing so early would sap his strength as the fight goes on. Anyways, we'll see who's right in May.

[Technical_Skill]

Im dont think Hatton will win, because i believe his durability has gone, but im willing to bet Hatton will have lots of success in the fight, if he is allowed to come foward. If we were talking Hatton pre Tszyu i think i would give the edge to Hatton, but i think he will do well in the fight and probably be ahead only to lose by TKO, because his durability has left him.

Its better for boxing if Pacquaio wins, because thats the one and only fight i could see Mayweather coming back for.

But a few people are seriously underestimating hatton, I underestimated him in the paulie fight, then realised paulie couldnt get away from him and couldnt handle hatton's inside game. Obviously pac has the power to hurt ricky coming in, but if hatton can stay away from the left, lead, hit pac to the body, smother, he can win this fight.

I see one guy dominating the whole fight, but its a 50/50 to me.

However why hatton is sparring valero i dont know, im no expert on valero, but he seems very wide punching, with alot of hooks, Pacman is more of a straight puncher.

[S A M U R A I]

Its better for boxing if Pacquaio wins, because thats the one and only fight i could see Mayweather coming back for.

But a few people are seriously underestimating hatton, I underestimated him in the paulie fight, then realised paulie couldnt get away from him and couldnt handle hatton's inside game. Obviously pac has the power to hurt ricky coming in, but if hatton can stay away from the left, lead, hit pac to the body, smother, he can win this fight.

I see one guy dominating the whole fight, but its a 50/50 to me.

However why hatton is sparring valero i dont know, im no expert on valero, but he seems very wide punching, with alot of hooks, Pacman is more of a straight puncher.

That's interesting about Valero. From the fights I've seen, he has pretty much nothing but a straight left, and one that's not particularly fast, but predictable and easy to read.

He is not the right sparring partner for Hatton. I don't see him being useful in Ricky's preparation for Pacquiao at all.



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[Dynamite Kid]

I honestly believe that if Pacquiao stands his ground and tries to push Hatton back early, he would be in trouble, I think letting Hatton come forward and using angles, moving and counterpunching is the best option for him early on in the fight, he could start pushing Hatton back as the fight goes on when Hatton starts to fade and weaken but doing so early would sap his strength as the fight goes on. Anyways, we'll see who's right in May.

Yeah i can see that happening too i guess.

I would agree with that game plan, but the only concern i have with that is that from what ive seen Pacquiao is only reallly been an effective counter puncher from mid range or long distance when given time and space to pick his punches, when the fight is in the centre of the ring Diaz,DLH. Ive never seen Pacquiao counter punching effectively, whilst being put under the kinda pressure i believe Hatton will be putting him under.

As i said i think Pacquiao will win by come behind TKO, but Hatton could win too, but i think his chin has completely gone. I mean Lazcano a blow up lightweight with no power was hurting him not long ago

Stylewise though, i think he will give Manny hell for the rounds he is in there.

We will have to wait and see though as you say. No offence though Silencers i know i come across and argumentative **** bag sometimes, but i dont mean to be really i just like a good debate and getting down into the intangibles etc. I respect your opinion more than anyone else on this site.

[Dynamite Kid]

Its better for boxing if Pacquaio wins, because thats the one and only fight i could see Mayweather coming back for.

But a few people are seriously underestimating hatton, I underestimated him in the paulie fight, then realised paulie couldnt get away from him and couldnt handle hatton's inside game. Obviously pac has the power to hurt ricky coming in, but if hatton can stay away from the left, lead, hit pac to the body, smother, he can win this fight.

I see one guy dominating the whole fight, but its a 50/50 to me.

However why hatton is sparring valero i dont know, im no expert on valero, but he seems very wide punching, with alot of hooks, Pacman is more of a straight puncher.

Yep.

I think Hatton's mauling style puts him on the fringes of a level he wouldn't be no where near without all the mauling/holding etc.

Yeah i mean, its like i said Hatton forces you to fight his fight and the more you let him come on the more he gets into his rhythm and become almost impossible to stop, unless you are a cute counter puncher like Floyd Mayweather of coarse.

[Silencers]

Yeah i can see that happening too i guess.

I would agree with that game plan, but the only concern i have with that is that from what ive seen Pacquiao is only reallly been an effective counter puncher from mid range or long distance when given time and space to pick his punches, when the fight is in the centre of the ring Diaz,DLH. Ive never seen Pacquiao counter punching effectively, whilst being put under the kinda pressure i believe Hatton will be putting him under.

As i said i think Pacquiao will win by come behind TKO, but Hatton could win too, but i think his chin has completely gone. I mean Lazcano a blow up lightweight with no power was hurting him not long ago

Stylewise though, i think he will give Manny hell for the rounds he is in there.

We will have to wait and see though as you say. No offence though Silencers i know i come across and argumentative **** bag sometimes, but i dont mean to be really i just like a good debate and getting down into the intangibles etc. I respect your opinion more than anyone else on this site.

I really don't know how effective Hatton's pressure will be against Pacquiao because even though you are right that Pacquiao hasn't played counterpuncher against a guy as aggressive as Hatton, Hatton hasn't fought a guy who is going to be as mobile as Pacquiao. Hatton's pressure is his bread and butter but he's been slowing down lately, he's not as quick to get in as he was a few years ago, and that'll be very evident against Pacquiao IMO.

Yeah, if he can get hurt by Lazcano, he can get hurt by Pacquiao.

I've never taken offense and I respect your opinion as well.

Just as a sidenote, Valero is known for his intensity in the gym and stylistically, he does have some resemblance to Pacquaio, he's always given guys good sparring.

[Dynamite Kid]

I really don't know how effective Hatton's pressure will be against Pacquiao because even though you are right that Pacquiao hasn't played counterpuncher against a guy as aggressive as Hatton, Hatton hasn't fought a guy who is going to be as mobile as Pacquiao. Hatton's pressure is his bread and butter but he's been slowing down lately, he's not as quick to get in as he was a few years ago, and that'll be very evident against Pacquiao IMO.

Yeah, if he can get hurt by Lazcano, he can get hurt by Pacquiao.

I've never taken offense and I respect your opinion as well.

Just as a sidenote, Valero is known for his intensity in the gym and stylistically, he does have some resemblance to Pacquaio, he's always given guys good sparring.

Yeah fair play to you Silencer. I hope Pacquiao does win, because my fellow Brit fans will unbearable, if Hatton wins. Hatton will be being compared to Pryor, if he wins.

Thanks Silencer

Ive only seen 1 or 2 highlights of Valero's fights and they ended quickly so i dont know that much about him.

[Technical_Skill]

if Hatton wins. Hatton will be being compared to Pryor,

Just to let people know now, if hatton wins, if I see anybody comparing him to Aaron pryor, ill be coming after them.