pacquiao will not ko hatton idiots.......

[GP27]

they both have the power to ko each other..... however pac skill set gives him a much better chance of scoring a stoppage..... i don't think he can knock hatton out cold

Well finally raines - a decent point

[a-raines21]

So, apart from taking five rounds of non stop hard, straight right hands from Mayweather and finally being TKO'd by a barrage of punches, when has he been staggered and knocked down or lost a fight because of his suspect chin?

I've no idea where this weird myth of Hatton's terrible chin comes from. He's never been in bad trouble much before because of it and has always been able to take a very good punch.

didn't collazo hurt hatton?
i think paulie did as well.....

if paulie hurts you, then your chin is suspect....... this should be a man-law among these forums..

ppl say that kelly pavlik is a hype job that got exposed by hopkins, but does that not applie for ricky in his fight with floyd? i dont think there should be a double standard for a situation as similar as these:

hatton moved up from his comfort zone at 140 to fight floyd-----pavlik moved up from 160 to fight hopkins

hatton was beaten pretty badly against the best p4p----- pavlik was beaten pretty badly against one of the best p4p...... the only blaring difference is that hatton got ko'd

[GP27]

[QUOTE=a-raines21;4768393]didn't collazo hurt hatton?
i think paulie did as well.....

if paulie hurts you, then your chin is suspect....... this should be a man-law among these forums..

C'mon on now...the paulie fight was extremely lop-sided and no magic man did not even come close to hurting hatton. let's be real here.

[a-raines21]

[QUOTE=GP27;4768410]

didn't collazo hurt hatton?
i think paulie did as well.....

if paulie hurts you, then your chin is suspect....... this should be a man-law among these forums..

C'mon on now...the paulie fight was extremely lop-sided and no magic man did not even come close to hurting hatton. let's be real here.

hattons face was quite scuffed up you have to admit.... the fight was indeed lop-sided tho

[theboymartay]

When did paulie hurt Hatton?!?! Urango hurt hatton with a body shot then hatton boxed his head off after that

[a-raines21]

When did paulie hurt Hatton?!?! Urango hurt hatton with a body shot then hatton boxed his head off after that

i may be wrong....... i should watch the fight again to make sure

[Jose Rizal]

I'm not trying to pick on you or anything Jose, but I would also like to point out how false this statement is above. You saying that Valero only has his 100% KO rating because of his opponents is utterly ridiculous. I also guess you think that Pac has more power right?

Go and look at their respective records then mate. By his 19th fight Valero had fought for the WBA SFW title against a very fine fighter and knocked him out. Up until then he had faced a better series, or easily as good as Pacquiao had up until a similar point, but Valero had progressed to fighting at a championship level much quicker also. His level of opponents has not been terrible up until he won his title. It had been like most other fighters that were being drawn along because they had potential.

By the same stage that Valero had won every fight and his title with four defenses by KO every single time, Pac hadn't even fought for his title yet, with many points decisions and a KO loss along the way. So, in fact, the assumption that it's only due to the opponents he faced is plain wrong.

So in all reality, every fighter faces a bunch of stiffs at the start of a promising career. Pac did the same, but he faced more stiffs for a longer period of time than Valero before stepping it up and he couldn't KO every one of his opponents. Valero was able to do that.

Very few fighters in history have been able to do that no matter who they face. If they can run up a string of KO's well into their title run then they're truly freakishly powerful. Valero, with only twenty four fights under his belt, has actually faced very good competition along with winning his title and four defenses of said title. To have done what he has in only twenty four fights is actually remarkable.

Nah... not really. What I'm saying is that it's hard to give him full props for stopping nondescript opposition. It doesn't mean however that I think Pacquiao is more powerful than him because it's quite obvious Manny puts his opponents away in a different manner, but he'll get more respect from me because of the quality, rather than quantity.

If I were to see some really good names in there, then I would definitely be awed by his power. Right now though, I suspect that his KO ratio would go down drastically the moment the quality of his opponents improve drastically upwards. Valero could get KO'ed himself.

[theboymartay]

Well if you are right I will be happy to be corrected however at no point to Paulie look close (from what I remember) to hurting Hatton if anything he looked scared stiff.

[a-raines21]

Well if you are right I will be happy to be corrected however at no point to Paulie look close (from what I remember) to hurting Hatton if anything he looked scared stiff.

yea..... i never likeed paulie.... i was rooting for ricky in that fight

[Jose Rizal]

If you look back to the origins of the arguement it started when the guy with the maths difficulties said I then pointed out that Hatton had a higher Ko % than Pac, hinting that KO% should not be used to decide if people are going to get KO'd much like you are now.

He then replied that pac had the higher % (because he fcuked his maths up) and pandemonium ensued.

I at no point have argued that the KO % is relevant, I only argued that Thwf has his Ko% wrong, which he did.

Sure, but I was just offering in the discussion another avenue of approach in analyzing these KO ratios. Maybe I should've quoted somebody else in here.

Personally, while I think these stats are a useful aid to get a gauge of a fighter's potential in stopping his opponents, it doesn't accurately show the whole picture and doesn't guarantee that it will happen in the fight, but they do help make that picture a little clearer.