pacquiao will not ko hatton idiots.......

[Pugilistic™]

Pacquiao has a good chance of stopping Hatton.

His speed and power i feel will be too much for Hatton to handle over 12 rounds.

[Jose Rizal]

You can't start picking and chooseing which fights to base there KO rates on.

KO rate is on all fights, always has been always will be.

Or i Would be saying Pac has a KO rate of 50%.

Which is his KO rate fighting at 130+.

Notice how I don't, even though It's a HUGELY significant factor.

I know that, and it's always been determined that way and I'm not saying it's wrong and that the other way is how it should be done.

But if you want to know who has KO'ed more of the fighters that they have beaten, I think the other ratio becomes a valid statistic as well. It's simply saying that IF Manny were to win, his chances of doing it by stoppage is bigger (75%) than Ricky (71%), yet by KO rate Ricky has stopped more of the fighters he has faced, but only by a very slight margin.

The caliber of victims is also another important factor to consider that is not reflected by the KO ratio. That's why it's hard to give full respect to Valero's record.

[hammerhiem]

I know that, and it's always been determined that way and I'm not saying it's wrong and that the other way is how it should be done.

But if you want to know who has KO'ed more of the fighters that they have beaten, I think the other ratio becomes a valid statistic as well. It's simply saying that IF Manny were to win, his chances of doing it by stoppage is bigger (75%) than Ricky (71%), yet by KO rate Ricky has stopped more of the fighters he has faced, but only by a very slight margin.

The caliber of victims is also another important factor to consider that is not reflected by the KO ratio. That's why it's hard to give full respect to Valero's record.

If you look back to the origins of the arguement it started when the guy with the maths difficulties said

Fail, he has the precision. Pman`s KO percentage is greater the Floyd`s.

I then pointed out that Hatton had a higher Ko % than Pac, hinting that KO% should not be used to decide if people are going to get KO'd much like you are now.

He then replied that pac had the higher % (because he fcuked his maths up) and pandemonium ensued.

I at no point have argued that the KO % is relevant, I only argued that Thwf has his Ko% wrong, which he did.

[BennyST]

lol..... u all make it seem like hatton has a good chin or something...... what fools

hatton is soooooo flawed

So, apart from taking five rounds of non stop hard, straight right hands from Mayweather and finally being TKO'd by a barrage of punches, when has he been staggered and knocked down or lost a fight because of his suspect chin?

I've no idea where this weird myth of Hatton's terrible chin comes from. He's never been in bad trouble much before because of it and has always been able to take a very good punch.

[BennyST]

Pac has never been KO'd at ELITE LEVEL though, which is I think a more important point because the Pac that lost 2 times by KO isn't the same version Hatton is gonna be facing, whereas the Hatton that got KO'ed by Mayweather is virtually the same version hell be squaring off in May.

He most definitely has been KO'd at an elite level, unless you think winning the WBC Flyweight world title and defending it a few times isn't elite. If that's not on an elite level then what is?

He had already won a title and defended twice before he got knocked out the second time, so he certainly has been knocked out at an elite level. Singsurat wasn't that bad of a fighter either. It's a ***** that he got knocked out by Torrecampo, who was never much of anything, but Singsurat was a decent fighter and champ.

[ALT=_=Assassin]

So, apart from taking five rounds of non stop hard, straight right hands from Mayweather and finally being TKO'd by a barrage of punches, when has he been staggered and knocked down or lost a fight because of his suspect chin?

I've no idea where this weird myth of Hatton's terrible chin comes from. He's never been in bad trouble much before because of it and has always been able to take a very good punch.

I think it has to do with the myth of Mayweather's power. During the build up of the fight no one expected Floyd to KO Hatton, it really wasn't even an option. Ricky's durability up until that point was exceptional and Floyd's power is underrated. The shock of "feather fisted" Mayweather knocking out Hatton must of put his chin in question to some posters.

[GP27]

So, apart from taking five rounds of non stop hard, straight right hands from Mayweather and finally being TKO'd by a barrage of punches, when has he been staggered and knocked down or lost a fight because of his suspect chin?

I've no idea where this weird myth of Hatton's terrible chin comes from. He's never been in bad trouble much before because of it and has always been able to take a very good punch.

Hatton moves forward. Even if he gets popped he moves forward. Now getting slammed on the otherhand - any fighter regroups, recovers, holds...etc Ricky has done this, but once recovered he moves forward with a great chin.

i mean my god, when floyd knocked him down, he was caught in the face and then by the post and still went on for a lil...

[BennyST]

The caliber of victims is also another important factor to consider that is not reflected by the KO ratio. That's why it's hard to give full respect to Valero's record.

I'm not trying to pick on you or anything Jose, but I would also like to point out how false this statement is above. You saying that Valero only has his 100% KO rating because of his opponents is utterly ridiculous. I also guess you think that Pac has more power right?

Go and look at their respective records then mate. By his 19th fight Valero had fought for the WBA SFW title against a very fine fighter and knocked him out. Up until then he had faced a better series, or easily as good as Pacquiao had up until a similar point, but Valero had progressed to fighting at a championship level much quicker also. His level of opponents has not been terrible up until he won his title. It had been like most other fighters that were being drawn along because they had potential.

By the same stage that Valero had won every fight and his title with four defenses by KO every single time, Pac hadn't even fought for his title yet, with many points decisions and a KO loss along the way. So, in fact, the assumption that it's only due to the opponents he faced is plain wrong.

So in all reality, every fighter faces a bunch of stiffs at the start of a promising career. Pac did the same, but he faced more stiffs for a longer period of time than Valero before stepping it up and he couldn't KO every one of his opponents. Valero was able to do that.

Very few fighters in history have been able to do that no matter who they face. If they can run up a string of KO's well into their title run then they're truly freakishly powerful. Valero, with only twenty four fights under his belt, has actually faced very good competition along with winning his title and four defenses of said title. To have done what he has in only twenty four fights is actually remarkable.

[a-raines21]

they both have the power to ko each other..... however pac skill set gives him a much better chance of scoring a stoppage..... i don't think he can knock hatton out cold

[theboymartay]

Regarding the KO

Ricky walked onto a beautiful punch and he had been told he had to step it up so he took more risks. The force of him moving forward coupled with the perfect timing of the punch put him down, there is no disgrace by that. And I am not really a Mayweather fan (purely as I think he hasn't proved anything really above lightweight but that's another thread) but it was a beautiful punch.

Hatton took the kitchen sink from KT, who had sparked most people with that right hand and Ricky walked through everything he threw (as he had to, to win the fight) and pissed blood for weeks because of it.

Regarding records

Manny Pacquio has sparked a static lightweight who was given a close run by a washed up Erik Morrales and he destroyed an old severely weight drain De La Hoya, as much as Hatton's loss is played up and his record pulled apart, what has Manny done above Super Featherweight? Shouldn’t that be questioned? I will agree he looked very quick at 147 but that was accentuated by the lumbering static target in front of him? I think this is a 50:50 fight and people are being slightly unfair to Ricky.

Hatton has fought everyone they have put in front of him at light welterweight you cant ask more than that. A lot of people were saying he would look ****** against Maliganggi and he made him look average. Could he beat any of the other belt holders? Of course he could, I mean Urango he has beaten soundly already, Holt has a suspect chin, Bradley is too green (although I think he is the best of the bunch) Kotelnik is too unknown in the states for the fight to float, therefore apart from Witter who the hell do you expect Hatton to have fought? (I mean when you question his record!)

Mayweather wouldn’t fight him at 140? Is there anything in that? Its nto as if he couldnt make 140 with ease.....I am not saying the result would have been different but I think it would have been a more uncomfortable fight for Mayweather.

Under Mayweather sr. he will start slipping more punches as he used to do, Mayweather won't reinvent the wheel, ricky is too old for that. I think for all the questions about Manny quite obvious fire power no one seems to question how he will stand up to being hit by a full blown light welter. I mean lets face it De La Hoya and Diaz hardly touched him, go back one more fight and JMM (at superfeather) did make Manny wobble therefore is Manny's chin made of granite? If Hatton can be cute about his work I don’t think so, also if Manny does get buzzed he will stand and trade and Hatton will eat him up. If he sticks and moves for 12 rounds I think he has a good chance of winning its whether he can do that for 12 rounds….

I think credit shoudl go to both fighters for putting on an exciting fight that people want to see!