Victor Ortiz vs. Devon Alexander

[THe TRiNiTY]

just stay tuned my friend...... kirkland would destroy both rivera and quintana, two fighter that beat julio up to say the least.... although julio beat rivera, he still was almost knocked out in the 12th

Triangular logic doesn't apply.

By that same token, Allen Conyers scored a KD of Kirkland in their fight but still got his ass kicked in the same round. I doubt Angulo OR Julio would have been taken down in that same round.

Nonetheless, Angulo has close to 10 fights LESS than Kirkland, and seems to be on the same level. That says a lot about their progress.

[a-raines21]

Triangular logic doesn't apply.

By that same token, Allen Conyers scored a KD of Kirkland in their fight but still got his ass kicked in the same round. I doubt Angulo OR Julio would have been taken down in that same round.

Nonetheless, Angulo has close to 10 fights LESS than Kirkland, and seems to be on the same level. That says a lot about their progress.

kirklandd is on a whole nother level than angulo...... as i said hes a hype job.... sooner or later hes gonna fight some one like kirkland who can punch, and who is a much more effective pressure fighter than he is.....

being kd doesnt mean anything.... of corse it says alot about a fighter who has never been knocked down, but like an assignment worthh extra credit, it doesnt hurt u if it happens.... most fighters taste the canvas

[Snuff Armstrong]

And not only that, Angulo has had a way longer extended amatuer career then Kirkland. With that being said, so does both Ortiz and Alexander. Thats probably why I dont view neither Alexander or Ortiz as frauds or overrated at this point.