I Disagree With Everyone About The Cintron Fight

[Bhopreign]

I never got to see the full replay on that so its hard to tell but from those 1st few replays they showed, it seemed like it couldve been a fair thing to me what the ref said. I mean Cintron jumped up and was complaining about the headbut and the ref was telling him that it was a punch while at the same time he's walking Cintron to the corner. That is what refs do on alot of regular knock downs at the end of rounds. They start walking the guy to the corner. I bet if the count only got to 6 and Cintron got up then no one would say that the ref changed his mind. They only say that because he hit the count of 10 at the same time and the bell rung at the same time so it had the look that the fight was over but if the count was only at 6 then I bet everyone would seem more understanding then they are now

But when the ref says its over its supposed to be over, Sharmba got up at 9 IMO against Floyd and Richard Steele still waved it off, Martinez was cheated out of a KO but the decision was the much worse robbery than the ref.

[DLT]

You didn't score the fight, but you want to debate the fairness of the decision?

The reason why thats not super important to me is because Im just saying that it was a close fight. I wont argue at all if you had Martinez winning but most act like he won 10 rounds or more. I know for a fact that in those earlymiddle rounds that the commentators talked non stop about Martinez taking over the fight and Lederman was giving him every round while I honestly felt that Cintron was winning those rounds. I swear I remember saying to myself that these guys are saying that the fight isnt close and I wouldnt be shocked at all if the judges had it close or even Cintron winning and if it happeneds then everyone will go crazy like it was a robbery when it really wasnt. Sure enough that happened.

Please everyone watch that fight again, dont pay attention to the HBO guys, and score it normal. I would rather you even watch it with the volume off

[DLT]

But when the ref says its over its supposed to be over, Sharmba got up at 9 IMO against Floyd and Richard Steele still waved it off, Martinez was cheated out of a KO but the decision was the much worse robbery than the ref.

Well if he said it was over then your right. I thought I heard that too but none of the commentators said anything so I was wondering if someone else said it instead of the ref. Also though, are you sure he wasnt trying to say that the round itself is over and then he starts walking him over to the corner? It was just a ton of confusion and the reason it took the ref so long to get it straight was he probably thought that everyone was just in there corners normaly like the round ended and when it was time for them to come back out, thats when he realized that everyone else was confused and he saw the judges turn the scorecards in. I think it was legit by him because he still said that it was a punch

[markfrombrookly]

Dude what are you smoking??? Martinez CLEARLY won that fight. For one it should of been stopped once the ref counted 10 and waved the fight off. And even though he made them fight again Martinez still boxed Cintrons ears off. Cintron was just looking for one punch for the majority of the fight. Just look at his face he was getting knocked around all fight practically. Off the top of my head I can only really count about 4 or 5 good punches that Cintron landed on Martinez.

[DLT]

Again though, dont get me wrong. I still think Cintron ******. It made me mad because he never even tried to impose himself on Martinez. He never tried to rush him or outmuscle him. I dont know if it wouldve worked but I felt like he shouldve tried something but instead he was just waiting on Martinez all night like he was Sweet Pea or something. The thing for me is though that Martinez wasnt doing anything either and was just dancing most of the night. It was just a crappy fight but I think Cintron made it alot closer then people think.



PLEASE JUST REWATCH THE FIGHT. Even better if you watch it with the sound off

[The Gambler1981]

I watched this **** fight three times, the third time was because I was arguing about the stoppage. I still have not seen the ref stop the fight, say it is over or make the hand single that the fight is over with. The ref did not look like he ended the fight right there, Cintron flipped out about the head then Martinez started to celebrate like it was over, which lead to mass confusion but I never saw the ref do anything like stopping the fight. He might have counted ten but he never did anything that said Cintron did not make it.
If the ref himself said he did not end the fight right there, there really should not even be any argument about this (was it not much easier to end the fight there, then to start the fight up again ).

It is up to the ref to end the fight and he did not, so it is not a knockout. The ref most certainly could have ended the fight right then and no one could have said a thing otherwise , but that is not what took place.

[Bhopreign]

Well if he said it was over then your right. I thought I heard that too but none of the commentators said anything so I was wondering if someone else said it instead of the ref. Also though, are you sure he wasnt trying to say that the round itself is over and then he starts walking him over to the corner? It was just a ton of confusion and the reason it took the ref so long to get it straight was he probably thought that everyone was just in there corners normaly like the round ended and when it was time for them to come back out, thats when he realized that everyone else was confused and he saw the judges turn the scorecards in. I think it was legit by him because he still said that it was a punch

Nope, he waved his hands which indicates that a fight is over. And by suggesting maybe he was saying the round was over is wrong too, because according to the ref, Frank Santore, "I didn't hear the bell, that's why there was some confusion. Cintron got up at the count of nine so the fight was not over."

He said it was, Ronnie Shields, Cintron's trainer was telling Cintron to show some class when he was complaing, it wasnt until between rounds when they went to the table and argued, truth is, they didnt want to stop such a big fight on what possibly could have been a head butt, Cintron saying it was had everyone in doubt, but the ref did wave the fight over it should have been over.

[The Gambler1981]

Nope, he waved his hands which indicates that a fight is over. And by suggesting maybe he was saying the round was over is wrong too, because according to the ref, Frank Santore, "I didn't hear the bell, that's why there was some confusion. Cintron got up at the count of nine so the fight was not over."

He said it was, Ronnie Shields, Cintron's trainer was telling Cintron to show some class when he was complaing, it wasnt until between rounds when they went to the table and argued, truth is, they didnt want to stop such a big fight on what possibly could have been a head butt, Cintron saying it was had everyone in doubt, but the ref did wave the fight over it should have been over.

I watched for that he never waved it off.

[!! Shawn]

My point was that I usually give the pure boxer way more respect then the brawler and even I thought he lost alot of those rounds that people gave to him. He was just moving alot of times and not doing anything

You have absolutely no concept of ring general ship do you?

Being in a position to dictate the pace of the fight means you are winning. When no punches were being exchanged, its because Martinez didn't want any punches to be exchanged. When punches were exchanged, they were because Martinez wanted them to be.

Martinez was in control all night, how you were unable to see that is beyond me.

[Bhopreign]

I watched for that he never waved it off.

I thought I saw him do it, I'll see again when they replay in a few minutes, but he was still telling Cintron that he didnt see a headbutt and its over, at least I thought he said something to that extent.