Bhop has been ranked by the Ring's top 10 pound 4 pound for 10 years!

[The Gambler1981]

[QUOTE=The_Bringer;4744538]That is true. Though I don't think there is much comparison between the two at all when discussing legacy.



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I just think Floyd and B-Hop when you are talking their place in the sports history that they are far apart all together from one another, but their career arcs are so different comparing them is like comparing Sandy Koufax to Nolan Ryan. What is better a short spark of total domination, or Koufax (though I guess it can be debated on Floyd domination). Or a long career where you were at the top of the game for many many years, you may not have been the best in any one year but were always in the running.

Now this is not a full proof analogy because lots do not view Floyd like Koufax and if he lacks that level of greatness for a short time it is hard to compare to longevity, so B Hop probably does have the edge I guess.

[ИATAS]

in the mccallum introduction(the announcement) fight i heard he was ranked the best p4p fighter in the world and that was in 1996 i think

Good call I just looked it up, Jones was in fact ranked #1 in 1996.

[βetamax]

I have a potential Bernard Hopkins "did you know" but I need help.

His last 5 opponents:
Pavlik, Calzaghe, Wright, Tarver, Taylor.

I know Pavlik, Calzaghe, and Wright were definitely top 10 P4P fighters when he fought them, but can anyone confirm Tarver and Taylor (rematch more likely)? If so that's an impressive resume and I'm not sure anyone else can claim the same strength of schedule in their last 5 fights, especially when you consider they were all post 40.

[ßringer]

[QUOTE=The Gambler1981;4744610]

That is true. Though I don't think there is much comparison between the two at all when discussing legacy.



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I just think Floyd and B-Hop when you are talking their place in the sports history that they are far apart all together from one another, but their career arcs are so different comparing them is like comparing Sandy Koufax to Nolan Ryan. What is better a short spark of total domination, or Koufax (though I guess it can be debated on Floyd domination). Or a long career where you were at the top of the game for many many years, you may not have been the best in any one year but were always in the running.

Now this is not a full proof analogy because lots do not view Floyd like Koufax and if he lacks that level of greatness for a short time it is hard to compare to longevity, so B Hop probably does have the edge I guess.

For me, there's no comparison between the two.

Mayweather was a damn phenom in the lower weight classes, but after that, things just went in a different direction. He retired in the prime of his career, never having faced a legitimate Welterweight. Judah was always a natural 140lbser, Baldomir was a joke, Oscar was a Junior Middleweight, and Ricky was a light Welterweight.

Look at Hopkins last 4 opponets in his career..........

Kelly Pavlik - 34-0-0 (30 KOs), 26 years old, reigning Middleweight King and top 10 P4P'er. Hopkins schools him at 43 years of age.

Joe Calzaghe - 44-0-0 (32 KOs), 36 years old, reigning Super Middleweight Kingpin, #2 P4P. Hopkins loses in a closey contested, highly disputed Split Decision at the age of 43.

Winky Wright - 51-4-1 (25KOs), 35 years old, P4P #2 at the time. Hopkins beats Wright in a very one sided, dirty scrap at the age of 42.

Antonio Tarver - 24-3-0 (18 KO's), 36 years old, top 10 P4P fighter, Light Heavyweight King. Hopkins moves up in weight and jumps 2 divisions, and ends up schooling Tarver in a one sided shutout at the age of 41.

Compare those 4 to Hatton, Oscar, Baldomir and Judah. All in Floyd's prime mind you.

[The Gambler1981]

[QUOTE=The_Bringer;4744724]

For me, there's no comparison between the two.

Mayweather was a damn phenom in the lower weight classes, but after that, things just went in a different direction. He retired in the prime of his career, never having faced a legitimate Welterweight. Judah was always a natural 140lbser, Baldomir was a joke, Oscar was a Junior Middleweight, and Ricky was a light Welterweight.

Look at Hopkins last 4 opponets in his career..........

Kelly Pavlik - 34-0-0 (30 KOs), 26 years old, reigning Middleweight King and top 10 P4P'er. Hopkins schools him at 43 years of age.

Joe Calzaghe - 44-0-0 (32 KOs), 36 years old, reigning Super Middleweight Kingpin, #2 P4P. Hopkins loses in a closey contested, highly disputed Split Decision at the age of 43.

Winky Wright - 51-4-1 (25KOs), 35 years old, P4P #2 at the time. Hopkins beats Wright in a very one sided, dirty scrap at the age of 42.

Antonio Tarver - 24-3-0 (18 KO's), 36 years old, top 10 P4P fighter, Light Heavyweight King. Hopkins moves up in weight and jumps 2 divisions, and ends up schooling Tarver in a one sided shutout at the age of 41.

Compare those 4 to Hatton, Oscar, Baldomir and Judah. All in Floyd's prime mind you.

Yea, but you have to take something away from him for his loses. Now every single one of them was a close fight, and in a loss he never got beat up at all. I don't know, I see your point but even if I make a top 100 list and put B Hop over Floyd, there would probably not be more then 15 guys between them, so to me that is pretty close.

B-Hop was and is a bad mother ****er though.

[ßringer]

[QUOTE=The Gambler1981;4744748]

Yea, but you have to take something away from him for his loses. Now every single one of them was a close fight, and in a loss he never got beat up at all. I don't know, I see your point but even if I make a top 100 list and put B Hop over Floyd, there would probably not be more then 15 guys between them, so to me that is pretty close.

B-Hop was and is a bad mother ****er though.

I don't see how anybody can hold anything against Hopkins for the losses, especially the nature of them. Jones was the only man to beat him convincingly, and that was almost 16 years ago.

Most people thought he should've beaten Taylor the first time out. The second time out was a much clearer victory for Hopkins IMO.

The loss to Calzaghe is still disputed, with many ringside experts and publications scoring it for Hopkins as many of us here have.

Jones clearly beat him, and he's admitted this. No shame in losing to Roy.

And his pro debut I don't think anybody can hold against him.

That said, 15 spaces apart seems reasonable to me. I'd probably have it somewhere around the same, maybe 20 spaces, but not any further. It's no knock to Floyd either, but that top 100 list has a boatload of talent on it.

[The Gambler1981]

[QUOTE=The_Bringer;4744785]

I don't see how anybody can hold anything against Hopkins for the losses, especially the nature of them. Jones was the only man to beat him convincingly, and that was almost 16 years ago.

Most people thought he should've beaten Taylor the first time out. The second time out was a much clearer victory for Hopkins IMO.

The loss to Calzaghe is still disputed, with many ringside experts and publications scoring it for Hopkins as many of us here have.

Jones clearly beat him, and he's admitted this. No shame in losing to Roy.

And his pro debut I don't think anybody can hold against him.

That said, 15 spaces apart seems reasonable to me. I'd probably have it somewhere around the same, maybe 20 spaces, but not any further. It's no knock to Floyd either, but that top 100 list has a boatload of talent on it.

No doubt, boxing has been going on for more then a century. Just think about how many cats have laced up the gloves all over the world. Getting into the top 100 of all time is really a crazy accomplishment.

[KILLA RIGHT]

He get's to much credit for losing close fights thats why