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[hammerhiem]

There is only one similar comparison. They both robbed Robin Reid. He has a fitting name. "Robin" Reid... Stop robin Reid of his victories....

I'm a big fan of Robin Reid, my defences of Calzaghe generally revolve around people calling Reid a bum.

But Reid didn't beat Calzaghe, Reid said so himself after the fight and the judge who scored it for him was watching a different fight to everyone else in the building and watching on TV.

7-4-1 Calzaghe as a Reid fan who was saying he was going to win easy before the fight.

[TheGreatA]

Underrated technician but there's no way he should've won all of his fights.

His style was more suited for the amateurs than professional boxing. Just look at the list of names that he beat in the amateurs, it's very impressive. He had wins over Michael Moorer, Chris Byrd, Antonio Tarver, JC Gomez, Zsolt Erdei...

Imagine if he could've come up with that kind of resume in the pros.

I've heard rumours about a comeback every once in a while (because he is broke) so we may see Ottke put that undefeated record on the line once more, at age 42.

[The Hammer]

A highly skilled defensive specialist with the p4p most boring style ever that I know of.

He was a winner of several controversial decisions but what NSB fails to understand is that it's as easy to see Ottke as a winner in those fights as it is to see his opponent as winner. I think I've watched nearly all his defenses and the most debateable was the Reid win. I could see Ottke winning the rest.

I doubt that Ottke's critiques has seen more than one Ottke fight at the most. Just sayin'...

I was surprised when I got around to watching some of his fights and found they were not robberies after all. I thought he clearly defeated Johnson...

Even the Reid fight wasn't really any different than the Johnson-Dawson fight, although the referee did seem to be protecting Ottke (much like Cortez protected Mayweather from Hatton).

[S A M U R A I]

There is only one similar comparison. They both robbed Robin Reid. He has a fitting name. "Robin" Reid... Stop robin Reid of his victories....

No offense, sir, but that's complete bollocks. You may be in disagreement with the judges, but Joe didn't rob him... cause he wasn't the one putting the points down on the score cards.

Reid had no problem with the decision (see the post-fight interview). Reid also turned down the rematch.

So if Reid himself had no issues with it, and also turned down the rematch, then why complain? It was clear to me, 7 rounds to 5 for Joe, plus the point taken off from Reid for dirty tactics here and there. Clear win for Calzaghe if you ask me.

Compare it to the Ottke fight. Big difference.



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[IMDAZED]

I was surprised when I got around to watching some of his fights and found they were not robberies after all. I thought he clearly defeated Johnson...

Even the Reid fight wasn't really any different than the Johnson-Dawson fight, although the referee did seem to be protecting Ottke (much like Cortez protected Mayweather from Hatton).

Haven't seen much of Ottke but I do know that up until his retirement he was considered the world's best super middle.

[ALT=_=Assassin]

I'm a big fan of Robin Reid, my defences of Calzaghe generally revolve around people calling Reid a bum.

But Reid didn't beat Calzaghe, Reid said so himself after the fight and the judge who scored it for him was watching a different fight to everyone else in the building and watching on TV.

7-4-1 Calzaghe as a Reid fan who was saying he was going to win easy before the fight.

I am a big fan of Reid myself, the robbery comment was in jest. So hopefully you ingested it properly.

[The Hammer]

I'm a big fan of Robin Reid, my defences of Calzaghe generally revolve around people calling Reid a bum.

But Reid didn't beat Calzaghe, Reid said so himself after the fight and the judge who scored it for him was watching a different fight to everyone else in the building and watching on TV.

7-4-1 Calzaghe as a Reid fan who was saying he was going to win easy before the fight.

The only robbery in the Calzaghe-Reid fight, was Reid's home English judge scoring it for Reid and robbing Joe of a deserved UD. The two American judges got the scoring right in that one...

[TheGreatA]

Reid did complain about the decision although it was only after he had re-watched the fight.

He turned down a rematch for money issues.

[ALT=_=Assassin]

No offense, sir, but that's complete bollocks. You may be in disagreement with the judges, but Joe didn't rob him... cause he wasn't the one putting the points down on the score cards.

Reid had no problem with the decision (see the post-fight interview). Reid also turned down the rematch.

So if Reid himself had no issues with it, and also turned down the rematch, then why complain? It was clear to me, 7 rounds to 5 for Joe, plus the point taken off from Reid for dirty tactics here and there. Clear win for Calzaghe if you ask me.

Compare it to the Ottke fight. Big difference.

Ok Reid didn't complain in the post fight interview but why would that stop a fan from doing so?

[S A M U R A I]

Ok Reid didn't complain but why would that stop a fan from doing so?

Because "a fan" is biased.



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