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  • Fox McCloud
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    #31
    Originally posted by El Dominicano
    Barrios and Soto would be a ****** option for anyone trying to protect their 0.
    I have to agree with this...

    Soto is a 5 loss fighter, who is extremely good, but not likely to skyrocket you into a position to get a big fight, even if you win convincingly.

    He also has been calling Pacquiao out constantly, and was going to move up in weight to immediately fight someone with 3 ABC belts. Afraid is something I wouldn't use to describe Guzman.

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    • Roger Mellie
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      #32
      Comfortable win on points for Guzman.

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        #33
        Originally posted by El Dominicano
        No it doesn't. You didn't state anything that was a fact.
        Just in case you didnt read this...lol
        Since Nov. 2007 he has fought 2 guys while Manny Pacquiao has fought 5 with the 6 coming guaranteed before Guzman fights anyone.
        Its not lack of options...he does not want to fight. If Pac wanted to fight as often as him, he could...but he is a true warrior. He is on a De La Hoya and Hopkins schedule...which we know he cant afford. Even Margarito has fought 4 guys in the same time frame.Paul Williams like 4-5. Juan Manuel Lopez fought 5 with 6 on the way. Kelly Pavlik 4- 5. These are guys with names its even easier to find up and coming fighters that fight 3-4 times a year because their climbing the ranks and hungry...such as Berto and more.
        These are all names who can if they wanted to fight 2 times a year...but they want to fight, they are warriors. Guzman is delusional and afraid.
        Originally posted by DWiens421
        I have to agree with this...

        Soto is a 5 loss fighter, who is extremely good, but not likely to skyrocket you into a position to get a big fight, even if you win convincingly.

        He also has been calling Pacquiao out constantly, and was going to move up in weight to immediately fight someone with 3 ABC belts. Afraid is something I wouldn't use to describe Guzman.
        Thank you!
        I can call Pac out doesn't mean I deserve to fight him. If Guzman is serious let him fight any and I mean any Mexican Pac has beat.
        I got an idea...do what everyone does to get to the top ..fight the best...duh, and not once a year fight a journey man.
        At this rate he will be too old before he fights anyone.

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          #34
          Originally posted by dondi330
          Just in case you didnt read this...lol
          Since Nov. 2007 he has fought 2 guys while Manny Pacquiao has fought 5 with the 6 coming guaranteed before Guzman fights anyone.
          Its not lack of options...he does not want to fight. If Pac wanted to fight as often as him, he could...but he is a true warrior. He is on a De La Hoya and Hopkins schedule...which we know he cant afford. Even Margarito has fought 4 guys in the same time frame.Paul Williams like 4-5. Juan Manuel Lopez fought 5 with 6 on the way. Kelly Pavlik 4- 5. These are guys with names its even easier to find up and coming fighters that fight 3-4 times a year because their climbing the ranks and hungry...such as Berto and more.
          These are all names who can if they wanted to fight 2 times a year...but they want to fight, they are warriors. Guzman is delusional and afraid.

          Thank you!
          I can call Pac out doesn't mean I deserve to fight him. If Guzman is serious let him fight any and I mean any Mexican Pac has beat.
          I got an idea...do what everyone does to get to the top ..fight the best...duh, and not once a year fight a journey man.
          At this rate he will be too old before he fights anyone.
          Humberto Soto is not a journeyman. He's a hell of a lot more legit than multiple fighters I can think of with less losses on their records.

          He was scheduled to fight Nate Campbell until he screwed that up... that is a pretty risky fight and is by no means a big pay day either.

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            #35
            Dondi, Guzman isnt a coward.
            Hes just a lazy ****..

            He does need more fights and to fight more often, but that boy wants to fight every1..
            too bad he ****ed it up for himself.. what a prick

            Still, hes the second most skilled fighter in the world..
            Soto is world class btw

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            • El Dominicano
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              #36
              I would love to see a Barrios vs Soto fight

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                #37
                Dont matter

                Originally posted by DWiens421
                Humberto Soto is not a journeyman. He's a hell of a lot more legit than multiple fighters I can think of with less losses on their records.
                He was scheduled to fight Nate Campbell until he screwed that up... that is a pretty risky fight and is by no means a big pay day either.
                Listen you would be right if fighting 1 or 2 good guys made u the man.Do you realize Guzman's last 5 opponents (3 from 2006)(1 from 2007) (1 from 2008) have a combined 28 losses...this includes those two so called best that you keep bringing up. In my world and most "you earn respect".
                Originally posted by BBoy MeYHeM
                Dondi, Guzman isnt a coward.
                Hes just a lazy ****..

                He does need more fights and to fight more often, but that boy wants to fight every1..
                too bad he ****ed it up for himself.. what a prick

                Still, hes the second most skilled fighter in the world..
                Soto is world class btw
                Whether he is scared like I say or Lazy like you say....neither is an attribute of a great fighter or champion. Think about this...every so called "feared fighter" in recent history have all had more fights than him and more recognizable and respectable competition in the same time frame IE, Margarito, Williams, Wright. Its not that he cant get a fight...He doesnt want to fight. If those guys can get good fights he certainly can. If people want to say that it was the Nate Campbell situation that did this...guess what? He has been not fighting good fighters well before that situation and he was still fighting once or twice a year....so lets be real.
                Hey Im a boxing fan I wish he would fight good fighters too...personally I dont think he will get far but Im a fan and would like to see it...but he is not great fighter material...scared or lazy...doesn't matter.
                Last edited by dondi330; 02-12-2009, 07:21 PM.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by dondi330
                  Listen you would be right if fighting 1 or 2 good guys made u the man.Do you realize Guzman's last 5 opponents (3 from 2006)(1 from 2007) (1 from 2008) have a combined 28 losses...this includes those two so called best that you keep bringing up. In my world and most "you earn respect".
                  It actually doesn't include the two, because the fight with Nate Campbell got cancelled.

                  I'm getting the feeling that you know less than I thought of what you are talking about.

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                  • dondi330
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by DWiens421
                    It actually doesn't include the two, because the fight with Nate Campbell got cancelled.

                    I'm getting the feeling that you know less than I thought of what you are talking about.
                    Your either dense or in denial or I'm just putting so many reasons why this guy sucks that your confused, "the two" were Barrios and Soto(mentioned by dominicano) and knowing what Guzman did to escape Campbell isn't exactly boxing rocket science , even casual fans know the "incident" of weight also if a boxer like Guzmans only claim to fame is how close he got to fighting "a pretty good fighter" in Nate..then my point is already proven. Once more 28 losses in his last 5 opponents in like 3 plus years.
                    PS the fight wasnt "cancelled"....Nate was ready and even flexible to fight at whatever weight Joanne wanted....Joan messed it up very unprofessionally.

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                      #40
                      guzman by wide ud....

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