Who Is Ranked Higher On The ATG List of These 3? (Mosley, Oscar & Tito)

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please don't tell me YOU count defenses of paper belts...

Are you saying Campas and Carr that Tito faced are better than the Pea or Ike that Oscar faced? (not to mention Shane) Seriously?

Pea was not the Pea who ridiculized McGirt in their second fight or made an almost prime JC look like Margarito, but he was still a whole lot better than Oba Carr or Campas or anyone Tito fought at 147. Same goes with Ike, and btw he would have been coming off a long layoff against Tito as well.

Throw out the fact that they fought each other. And look at the rest of the people they fought at 147. Tito's is better. ****, even beating Anthony Stephens is something. Yes Oscar fought Ike and Pea. Who else? Camacho? Tito fought him 3-4 years earlier. David Kamau? Patrick Charpentier? Come on. Forget the top two names you keep repeating (Ike, Pea...Ike, Pea...) and go down their whole resumes at 147.

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BTW, good debate wmute.

[Dan...]

Interesting question. I'm going with Oscar. Its pretty close between Tito and Shane I think.

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Throw out the fact that they fought each other. And look at the rest of the people they fought at 147. Tito's is better. ****, even beating Anthony Stephens is something. Yes Oscar fought Ike and Pea. Who else? Camacho? Tito fought him 3-4 years earlier. David Kamau? Patrick Charpentier? Come on. Forget the top two names you keep repeating (Ike, Pea...Ike, Pea...) and go down their whole resumes at 147.

I am also repeating Shane btw, it is a loss though.

I understand your argument that Tito beat more good fighters than Oscar did, but I do not go with it, because taking it to the extreme that logic, beating a large enough number of nobodies is better than beating 1 great.
The fact that Oscar faced Pea, Ike and Shane (and of course Tito, but that naturally applies to Tito as well, as you point out) makes his competition at 147 simply stellar, the best since Leonard fought Duran and Hearns IMO.

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Like I said, I don't know what to vote yet because I find weaknesses in all. Oscar is a lot of hype (I think his achievements are quite respectful and he in my eyes he ended up actually somewhere in between what he is in terms of skill as talents, and what the cheerleading TV squad made him out to be), Shane fought too many 'dumb' fights (and what about steroids?), and Tito has been just disheartening in some of his performances...

If they had the right trainers I bet they would have been Shane > Tito > Oscar.
The way it is I am undecided between Oscar and Shane, for the reason I described in the other post. Tito's lack of answers disappointed me.

Question to you dazed. Didn'y you find Oscar-Tito a very disappointing moment? It showed in one fight the limitations of two fighters who seemed to be the next greats after the Jones/Toney generation(irony it later turned out the next great was Hopkins, who was older...). Tito inability to change, and Oscar running in the last rounds left me so bitter...

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and of course... always good debating with you!

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I am also repeating Shane btw, it is a loss though.

I understand your argument that Tito beat more good fighters than Oscar did, but I do not go with it, because taking it to the extreme that logic, beating a large enough number of nobodies is better than beating 1 great.
The fact that Oscar faced Pea, Ike and Shane (and of course Tito, but that naturally applies to Tito as well, as you point out) makes his competition at 147 simply stellar, the best since Leonard fought Duran and Hearns IMO.

No...Pea fought the best comp at welter. And I could name others.

But anyway, Oscar didn't beat better competition at 147...or 154...

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Like I said, I don't know what to vote yet because I find weaknesses in all. Oscar is a lot of hype (I think his achievements are quite respectful and he in my eyes he ended up actually somewhere in between what he is in terms of skill as talents, and what the cheerleading TV squad made him out to be), Shane fought too many 'dumb' fights (and what about steroids?), and Tito has been just disheartening in some of his performances...

If they had the right trainers I bet they would have been Shane > Tito > Oscar.
The way it is I am undecided between Oscar and Shane, for the reason I described in the other post. Tito's lack of answers disappointed me.

Question to you dazed. Didn'y you find Oscar-Tito a very disappointing moment? It showed in one fight the limitations of two fighters who seemed to be the next greats after the Jones/Toney generation(irony it later turned out the next great was Hopkins, who was older...). Tito inability to change, and Oscar running in the last rounds left me so bitter...

Agreed 100%. It took me six years to watch that fight again. Tito looked inept, Oscar like a girl. Just disgusting.

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No...Pea fought the best comp at welter. And I could name others.

But anyway, Oscar didn't beat better competition at 147...or 154...

As far as Oscar vs Tito I think it boils down to average vs high points, and the fact that Tito dominated, while Oscar eaked out wins.

You are right about Pea, he fought Tito, Oscar, JC and Buddy. I forgot the Tito fight!

[Steak]

Trinidad may have dominated his fights, but he didnt face the kind of guys that De La Hoya did either. look at the guys that Oscar went to controversial decision with...Ike Quartey, Pernell Whitaker, and Trinidad himself. Trinidad may have also fought Whitaker, but I believe that Whitaker had been caught with ******* and might have had to go to rehab before the Trinidad fight. So the Whitaker that Oscar fought was better than the one Trinidad fought.

Who knows if Trinidad would have beaten a prime Quartey? and most people have De La Hoya winning the Trinidad fight too.

just for the record, I think Trinidad still has the better record at 147. He beat most the guys that DLH did except earlier and more prime, plus guys like Campas and Blocker. but Oscar really isnt that far behind, and you cant completely blame him for his close fights at 147.

the thing that puts DLH above Trinidad and Mosley for me is his run at 135 and 140, which was actually pretty good even if he didnt have any huge prime names on there.