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  • KJB
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    #71
    Originally posted by The Gunner
    Kesslers lost to a great fighter.

    Williams has lost to a B-level fighter.

    Says it all really.
    No. Just... no. People lose sometimes, this is boxing.

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      #72
      Originally posted by The Gunner
      Kesslers lost to a great fighter.

      Williams has lost to a B-level fighter.

      Says it all really.
      Yeah. Tommy Hearns lost to Iran Barkley. Says it all. Really.

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      • Dynamite Kid
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        #73
        Originally posted by Kastrioti


        Again, you are just looking at statistics saying, Kessler has not fought these guys, so you can't say he's better...
        Like I said, if you actually watch the matches in the SMW division, you can clearly see that Kessler and Taylor are the only ones worth debating as to who is the best SMW, and they are much better than the rest.
        I did'nt think Forrest would beat Mosley, but guess what? he did. I didn't think Golota would whip Bowe, but guess what? he did.

        I deal with statistics, because thats what PROVES who is the better fighter.

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        • lefthook2daliva
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          #74
          I don't think either of these two are badly overrated by boxing fans in general.

          As is usually the case, each of them have spawned a small cadre of deluded fanboys with embarrassing man-crushes.

          So what else is new?

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            #75
            Originally posted by The Gunner
            Kesslers lost to a great fighter.

            Williams has lost to a B-level fighter.

            Says it all really.
            Or you could say Kessler lost to the only top fighter he has fought, whilst the other beat the top fighter he has fought.

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              #76
              Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
              I did'nt think Forrest would beat Mosley, but guess what? he did. I didn't think Golota would whip Bowe, but guess what? he did.

              I deal with statistics, because thats what PROVES who is the better fighter.
              So then you have no opinion on who the best fighter in any division is? Because the way I'm reading it is you're saying there is no best fighter in any division, unless he has fought every single person in that division. Which no one has done so I don't see how you would rank anyone in history with that mentality.

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                #77
                Originally posted by Kastrioti
                So then you have no opinion on who the best fighter in any division is? Because the way I'm reading it is you're saying there is no best fighter in any division, unless he has fought every single person in that division. Which no one has done so I don't see how you would rank anyone in history with that mentality.
                God ...pfft

                Ive already gone through this, Wlad has established himself by beating most the guys the people demanded he fight to prove himself the best in the division.

                Kessler was NEVER recognized as the linear SMW champ, because their was already a linear champ and he lost too the linear SMW champ, so why does he suddenly become the best in the div, because he put up and decent fight for 4 rounds? or because in your opinion he looks superior to the other fighters in his div, allthough he has not proved it.

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                • The Gunner
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by KJB
                  No. Just... no. People lose sometimes, this is boxing.
                  Not to quintana types they dont in routine defences.

                  Originally posted by THE HERP
                  Yeah. Tommy Hearns lost to Iran Barkley. Says it all. Really.
                  Hearns loses to Iran came out of his prime and above his natural weight.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
                    God ...pfft

                    Ive already gone through this, Wlad has established himself by beating most the guys the people demanded he fight to prove himself the best in the division.

                    Kessler was NEVER recognized as the linear SMW champ, because their was already a linear champ and he lost too the linear SMW champ, so why does he suddenly become the best in the div, because he put up and decent fight for 4 rounds? or because in your opinion he looks superior to the other fighters in his div, allthough he has not proved it.
                    I base it on the fact that he IS the most established SMW in the world, combined with my opinion based on seeing him, and the other fighters in that division fight. If you don't agree with him being ranked first, who would you rank first in that division, or what's your top 5 fighters on that division, based on your opinion?

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                    • Shadow boxer 3
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                      #80
                      kessler. his whole claim to fam is losing to Calzaghe. but P.will is not far behind

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