Top 100 ATG - My Personal List

[S.G.]

I notice when you're breaking down how you measure fighters with all these percentages you don't mention pure skill/talent?

if i was to break it down into a percentage like you do i would do like, 50% Accomplishment, 35% Talent and 15% Impact

[Vladimir303]

I notice when you're breaking down how you measure fighters with all these percentages you don't mention pure skill/talent?

if i was to break it down into a percentage like you do i would do like, 50% Accomplishment, 35% Talent and 15% Impact

He did mention skill:

80% accomplishment and historical significance - this
invloves fights with the fellow all-time greats, titles
held, punching power and boxing skills displayed, dominance and
longetivity.

[S.G.]

He did mention skill:

my bad......

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

You're speaking as if it unaminous for Tito......it's DEBATABLE if you wanna be fair with it.

How is it way better??? Oscar started losing in 1999 and then went on to lose to Mosley, Hopkins. Tito started losing in 2001 and retired. He could've lost way more if he stuck around and was more active. Would've probably lost to Mosley as well.

If we count Delahoya's loss to Mayweather and Pacquiao, then we have to count Tito's loss to Winky Wright and Roy Jones as well. 2 big losses against big names.


They had a close fight in 1999, some thought that Oscar got robbed (I know you don' think so). They both knocked out Vargas and Mayorga. Against Hopkins they both lost. Tito managed to say in there longer but Delahoya was way more competitive while it lasted.

Lets go to statistics. Oscar a 6-division champ vs Tito's 3-division titles. Ocar wins in that department.


All and all skllwise excluding any accomplishments, Delahoya is the more skilled figher and is capable of being more competitive against a whole range of different fighter whereas Tito isn't as his fights against Hopkins and Winky show.


Result: it's debatable....Tito could've helped his case if he hadn't retired for years after his first pro loss.

Tito a 3 division Champ, he unified 2 and Dominate 2
17 Titles defenses at WW Complerelñy dominating the division
Unified SWW Champ
And was only the second WW in boxing history to win a title in his first title fight at MW.

Hes only losses cames to the hand of bigger man at 160 and at 170

Trinidad resume

Blocker
Campas
Camacho
Carr
Barnes
Whitaker
DLH
Reid
Thiam
Vargas
Joppy
Mayorga


DLH is a 6 division champ, unified 1, didnt dominate any.
Lost his biggest fights against Trinidad, Mayweather,Mosley Pacquaio,Hopkins.

4 of his 5 loses came to smaller men.

DLH Resume
Hernandez
Whitaker
Camacho
JCC
Gonzalez
Gatti
Vargas
Mayorga
Campas
Castillejo

Carr,Vargas,Campas and Mayorga all after Tito Knock them the **** out!!!!!!!!
Sturm

[asero831]

Well if that's the case then your list is missign Prince Naseem and Arturo Gatti among others.

you'd be surprise, but to me gatti would be in the HOF. but his resume, is not worthy of top 250

i based my criteria, on how the nba select his 50 greatest players, notice that they put emphasis on how the player contributes on the development and advancement of the sport. it's only 5% and i only used it to resolve close accomplishments. dela hoya and trinidad accompishments are almost the same. the popularity seems to be the tie breaker of the two..also the same reason why leonard is ahead of monzon and sweet pea. accomplishment wise, i thought pernell and monzon did a little bit more than ray leonard.

[Dan...]

Nice effort with the list.

[SuckaPunch]

Nice list, bro.

Did you use a special modeling software to contruct your list (to work out the percentages and what not) or just plain Microsoft excel?

If so, can we see it?

[asero831]

I notice when you're breaking down how you measure fighters with all these percentages you don't mention pure skill/talent?

if i was to break it down into a percentage like you do i would do like, 50% Accomplishment, 35% Talent and 15% Impact

i like that criteria.
i put accomplishment and talent together..it's 80%
i would like to ask you how would you categorize the joe louis reign as the longest HW champ ever? is it part of accomplishment-50% or impact-15%

[oc9979]

Tito a 3 division Champ, he unified 2 and Dominate 2
17 Titles defenses at WW Complerelñy dominating the division
Unified SWW Champ
And was only the second WW in boxing history to win a title in his first title fight at MW.

Hes only losses cames to the hand of bigger man at 160 and at 170

Trinidad resume

Blocker
Campas
Camacho
Carr
Barnes
Whitaker
DLH
Reid
Thiam
Vargas
Joppy
Mayorga


DLH is a 6 division champ, unified 1, didnt dominate any.
Lost his biggest fights against Trinidad, Mayweather,Mosley Pacquaio,Hopkins.

4 of his 5 loses came to smaller men.

DLH Resume
Hernandez
Whitaker
Camacho
JCC
Gonzalez
Gatti
Vargas
Mayorga
Campas
Castillejo

Carr,Vargas,Campas and Mayorga all after Tito Knock them the **** out!!!!!!!!
Sturm

ill second this even tho de la hoya is 10 time champion

[IMDAZED]

you'd be surprise, but to me gatti would be in the HOF. but his resume, is not worthy of top 250

i based my criteria, on how the nba select his 50 greatest players, notice that they put emphasis on how the player contributes on the development and advancement of the sport. it's only 5% and i only used it to resolve close accomplishments. dela hoya and trinidad accompishments are almost the same. the popularity seems to be the tie breaker of the two..also the same reason why leonard is ahead of monzon and sweet pea. accomplishment wise, i thought pernell and monzon did a little bit more than ray leonard.

I hear you. It just feels a little weird to decide the better of two boxers by who's more popular.