How would you rate as a bigger ATG- PBF or PAC

[Sin City]

ok but thats not answering my question.
How many times did Pacquaio Defend his titles?
In order to be a complete champion you have to defend your title.
So what are the hard facts of Pacquaio defending any of his titles in 1 division....

PLEASE dont respond unless you have that answer ready.
NO HATE.... I just want a Answer to my question.

you can't be a REAL champion if you don't defend against real op.

Pacquiao defend 3 times at flyweight..
12 at super bantam

twice @ super feather.. lost it won it back and defended it 7 times.


edit:it was actually flyweight.. he jumped bantam.

[Saloth Sar]

Who do you give more credit to, a fighter who had better opposition or a fighter who defended a title multiple times?

That's basically what it boils down to?

There's no debating that PAC has the better resume.

There's no debating that Ugly Boy Floyd had more title defenses.

Again, who do you give more credit to?

** I pick the fighter who fought the best, not because he defended his title against random contenders.

This has nothing to do with my question..
NO HATE...
I just want to know how many divisions Pacquaio defend his titles in..? and how many times...

Thats It...!
Can somebody give me a answer to that question please...

[Sin City]

This has nothing to do with my question..
NO HATE...
I just want to know how many divisions Pacquaio defend his titles in..? and how many times...

Thats It...!
Can somebody give me a answer to that question please...

I already did. Look above. ^^

[Jim Jeffries]

ok but thats not answering my question.
How many times did Pacquaio Defend his titles?
In order to be a complete champion you have to defend your title.
So what are the hard facts of Pacquaio defending any of his titles in 1 division....

PLEASE dont respond unless you have that answer ready.
NO HATE.... I just want a Answer to my question.

Who is greater? Sonny Liston or Sven Ottke?

*I'll wait while you look those guys up on Boxrec.*



Also, what you're saying is: Floyd's little paper strap that he won at 140 - meaningless, because he didn't defend it.
His win over an old, inactive DLH - meaningless, because he didn't defend it. In fact the only title he defended above 135 was the WBC WW strap against Hatton, and it was ridiculous that they let him hold onto it for over 13 months without a defense.

[Saloth Sar]

you can't be a REAL champion if you don't defend against real op.

Pacquiao defend 3 times at flyweight..
12 at super bantam

twice @ super feather.. lost it won it back and defended it 7 times.


edit:it was actually flyweight.. he jumped bantam.

Are you including international and Asian titles to those defenses??

I am talking about IBF,WBA,WBO, and WBC.
Offical World Titles....
Not International or no Regional Titles...

That's the question I want Answer...
Now if he has 12 Consec. Defenses of a Offical World Title then thanks for the information. If not then, why post misleading numbers???

[Sin City]

Are you including international and Asian titles to those defenses??

I am talking about IBF,WBA,WBO, and WBC.
Offical World Titles....
Not International or no Regional Titles...

That's the question I want Answer...
Now if he has 12 Consec. Defenses of a Offical World Title then thanks for the information. If not then, why post misleading numbers???

they have ALL been WBC, WBA and IBF.

If you don't believe me check out his boxrec:
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...6129&cat=boxer

I don't see why you are trying to discredit his defenses and his accomplishments.
even with defenses he has defended a lot.. but again, that doesn't matter.

[We want Floyd]

This has nothing to do with my question..
NO HATE...
I just want to know how many divisions Pacquaio defend his titles in..? and how many times...

Thats It...!
Can somebody give me a answer to that question please...

Quit being bl**k and gather the f**king info you're looking for yourself!

And I did answer the f**king question, PAC has not defended titles as much as PBF has. I just don't have the exact numbers.

Again, facts are facts, PBF's record is flawless, however PAC's competition is much better, PAC's performance against a common opponent, is like comparing night & day.

[Sin City]

Quit being bl**k and gather the f**king info you're looking for yourself!

And I did answer the f**king question, PAC has not defended titles as much as PBF has. I just don't have the exact numbers.

Again, facts are facts, PBF's record is flawless, however PAC's competition is much better, PAC's performance against a common opponent, is like comparing night & day.

actually he has defended as much.. look at his record.
:sigh: but again, what does that have to do with anything? lol

im getting tired or repeating myself, seriously lol

[Saloth Sar]

they have ALL been WBC, WBA and IBF.

If you don't believe me check out his boxrec:
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...6129&cat=boxer

I don't see why you are trying to discredit his defenses and his accomplishments.

Ok man.
Thanks for your information.
But to respectively disagree, I dont count International and Regional titles as real titles when it comes down to legacy.

Pacquaio is my 2nd Favorite fighter behind Dawson.
So dont take Questions as hate. just check my post history to see how highly I think of Pacquaio.

But IMO, Pacquaio is not a better ATG than Mayweather.
That's my opinion. Say what you like about Floyd.
but he is probably the greatest 130 pounder that ever lived.
Based on his body of work, and how accomplish it.
In what division can we say that about my boy Pacquaio ?
You guys have too remember floyd has had 31 out of his 39 fights at 135 and under..thats 80% of his career. I think people forget that sometimes .

[JOM'S]

P4P I would agree that floyd is better with all the potential being accounted for...

but ATG is based on ACTUAL accomplishment which IMHO PAC has done more...

won championship from flyweight to lightweight, won fights from junior flyweight to welterweight, has staked his claim for 3 Lineal World Championship and when and if he beats hatton will be the only FIGHTER in history to have claims at 4, consistently challeged himself by fighting fellow p4p, HOFer and ATGs...

there is a question who is the fighter of the decade and PAC is right along there with Floyd as top contenders, but floyd is retired and if he never fights again PAC will claim this title ...