Barrera and Morales are better than Marquez

[Perezklan]

I am curious to see how Barrera looks now that he doesnt have legendary trainer Rudy Perez as his trainer.

[jeffersonyap]

you are really dumb man...how doesfloyd mayweather get closer to becoming the

First off, just let me say that I love to watch Marquez fight. his counter punching skill is outstanding, and his combination punching is some of the best Ive seen in a long time. I cant wait to see his fight against Juan Diaz, and he deserves his #2 spot in the p4p list.

Now that Ive gotten that out of the way, I have to say that Marquez isnt as good as Morales and MAB were. I think its safe to say that Marquez's real career defining fights are the Pacquiao ones, right? I think its also safe to say that Marquez's style is almost perfect to give Pacquiao fits, his counter punching is great at upseting a quick, hard puncher he gets off balance often with his lunging shots.
and yet Morales is still the one who has the most convincing win over Pacquiao. I had Marquez winning the 2nd fight 115-113 and the 1st one I have a draw, marquez win or Pacquiao win all depending on one very difficult round(which ends up deciding the winner of the fight, go figure), but Morales clearly beat Pacquiao more one sidedly. he even could have taken the 12th round, but decided to slug it out and turn southpaw(which clearly benefitted Pacquiao). In other words, he outfought Marquez at his own game, counterpunching.

As for MAB, you can say what you want about the MAB-Marquez fight, but Marquez did NOT have an easy time. yea, he won it, but this was a damn close fight. and this was Barrera at the twilight of his career, he sacficed a lot of his natural power to keep some of his diminishing speed in that fight too. If Barrera had more snap to his punches, the fight could have ended up quite different. even without much snap to his punches, the fight was dead even after 9 or 10 rounds and Barrera legitimately dropped Marquez, and Barrera didnt have anything left for the final haul and Marquez ended up sweeping the final rounds.
I have to admit that I doubt that Marquez could have even beaten the MAB of the 3rd Morales fight, who had better stamina and more powerful punches, but was just as fast and just about as technically solid.
although Barrera would never have been as successful against Pacquiao as Marquez was. his style just doesnt match up with Pacquiao's well.

and career wise, I dont think theres much debate that Marquez has a bit of catching up to do.

no offense to Marquez...hes an outstanding fighter. but having rewatched MAB vs. Morales I & III along with Morales vs. Pacquiao last night, I was just amazed at how good they really were, even though Ive seen those about 4 times each it still blows my mind.

where can i get all the classic boxing matches??not the rly old ones..but the ones in the 2000 to o9...i realy wanna go back and watch them again but cant coz i ddnt record them

[Pullcounter]

I think morales and mab are better than jmm, but it didnt help jmm that he was managed by nacho, promoted by arum, and trained to be a counterpuncher.

jmm also ****ed up when he passed on the hamed fight and the pac rematch to fight john

[boxaholic]

for me; Morales > MAB > JMM

I got MAB > Morales > JMM.

[boxaholic]

I think morales and mab are better than jmm, but it didnt help jmm that he was managed by nacho, promoted by arum, and trained to be a counterpuncher.

jmm also ****ed up when he passed on the hamed fight and the pac rematch to fight john

DAMMM. Imagine that Naz fight vs JMM. Naz is made perfect for JMM's style cuz he is a counterpuncher and Naz is Defense is weak. I still think Naz's chin and power would have beat JMM.

[Steak]

Well if your talking about rounds won i gave Manny Pacquiao 5 rounds against Erik Morales, and 4 rounds against JMM. Its just Erik Morales's chin is much more solid than JMM's chin and he took the punches better.

I agree with your orignal post theres no way resume wise JMM is anywhere close to MAB, Erik Morales. But i still think in mythical match ups he would fare well against both fighters.

Even in there prime's Erik Morales, MAB, had there fair share of troubles. Erik Morales with Daniel Zaragoza, Jesus Chavez, In-Jin Chi, Guty Espadas 1, Carlos Hernandez, ETC.

And MAB with Agapito Sanchez, Jose Luis Valbuena, Junior Jones x2, ETC. Which doesn't really mean anything but it shows they were still beatable, especially from a fighter of JMM's class.

well, every fighter is beatable, I assume that automatically. which is why I dont count losses against fighters that badly as long as theyre fighting the best.

MAB was clearly not prime in the Junior Jones days. like I said before, the difference between the Kennedy McKinney and 1st Morales fight is huge. defensively theres a noticable change in him. Id like to think of the JJ fights as wake up calls for MAB, much like the Phillips fight was for Tsyzu.

you cant expect fighters to dominate everyone, especially when they have a warriors spirit and cant help but to get into brawls. and the warriors spirit thing aint an excuse either, Morales would constantly risk the fight just to get into a fight and please the fans. just like in the 12th Pacquiao round, which he probebly would have won had he not gone crazy (based on how successful that 11th was for him). and even prime Marquez had trouble with fighters like Freddie Norwood and Chris John.

I dont know, personally watching MAB vs. Morales III and comparing it to the MAB vs. Marquez one, it looks like MAB has way more pop to his punches and his intensity and stamina seemed much better as well. I really dont think Marquez would have beaten that version of MAB.

It seems to me that while Marquez is fantastic at what he does, but MAB and Morales have much more to offer. such variety in the way they can fight and adapt.