Chad Dawson is Pondering Some Post-Tarver Targets

[Boxingwizard]

you're right. IF joe decides to fight on, it will be against dawson, as i don't think joe will fight hopkins again. so basically yea, its pretty much joe's decision whether he and dawson fights, nothing more dawson can do.



not really. calzaghe beat kessler already, so i really doesn't make a difference to him whether dawson beats kessler too.



i agree with you about the retiring at 30 thing......

but you basically contradict yourself.......you say the only way to get the "elites" is to beat credible opponents, but you question dawson for dropping his belt, to fight tarver for his?
dawson's last two fights were against probably the 4th and 5th ranked LHW's. how do you get more credible than that?

as stated in the article, dawson said he wants clazaghe and/or hopkins.....IMO, he may get calzaghe, but not hopkins. he also states that if he doesn't get either of those fights HE WILL move on, to another division. probably 168.

Well Dawson didn't need to drop the WBC belt to fight Tarver, now he is in a situation where he has to fight him again, that was a bad career move in his part. If I were his manager I would of told him to keep his WBC belt and fought Diaconu in Romania. You can say Tarver is a credible opponent, but he didn't look so credible on October 11 did he? Even a win against Tarver, he's still not getting the recognition he deserves.

And why does he need to fight in 168? There is a lot of credible opponents in 175 like Glen Johnson, Adrian Diaconu, and Tavoris Cloud. Maybe though if there is no big fights in 175, I would suggest he move down in weight.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

ROFL. That **** is pretty funny.

I kind of disagree though to be honest. I think Joe thinks he can definately beat Dawson, it just comes down to whether or not he can be ***ed. Dawson beating Kessler wouldn't make a difference I don't think. If Joe feels like fighting again he will and it will be against Chad. If he doesn't, well, that is that.

When asked about fighting Hopkins, Joe said "lets make Hopkins vs Kessler and see what happens".

Then when he was asked about Froch, he said "put him in with Kessler and we'll see how he does".

Kessler represents Joe's seal of approval.

[FLY TY]

Well Dawson didn't need to drop the WBC belt to fight Tarver, now he is in a situation where he has to fight him again, that was a bad career move in his part. If I were his manager I would of told him to keep his WBC belt and fought Diaconu in Romania. You can say Tarver is a credible opponent, but he didn't look so credible on October 11 did he? Even a win against Tarver, he's still not getting the recognition he deserves.

And why does he need to fight in 168? There is a lot of credible opponents in 175 like Glen Johnson, Adrian Diaconu, and Tavoris Cloud. Maybe though if there is no big fights in 175, I would suggest he move down in weight.

the situation he's in now, he was aware of before he took the fight.....
bottom line is, dawson stated that he wanted tarver for years, but tarver didn't feel dawson had beat anyone of significance in order to deserve fighting him......so that's why dawson fought glen johnson, he was a TOP 5 LHW. showtime set up the card for that fight, where dawson defended against johnson, and tarver fought woods. problem was, dawson was still being forced to fight a mandatory after the fight, so in order to get finally get tarver, who was another TOP 5 LHW, dawson was "forced" to vacate his belt in order to fight for tarver's.....i'm sure dawson was aware that there was a rematch clause there. that's not the problem.

he feels that since he beat tarver's ass so handily the first time, why would tarver want to enact the rematch clause?

i'm not sure dawson is too upset tho.....hopkins probably isn't going to fight him, joe calzaghe is semi-retired, so the rematch w/ tarver is kind of "keeping him busy" until he finds out whether or not calzaghe or hopkins will fight him.

remember calzaghe and hopkins are both ranked ahead of chad at LHW, so he wants to "clean out the division." he's already beaten tarver and johnson, #4 and 5, so now he wants the top doggs......he's stated that if he can't get those two, he'll move down to 168, and take on the TOP fighters there.....

his mindset is, "you don't go from fighting tarver and johnson, to get fights against hopkins and calzaghe, only to end up with cloud and diaconu..."

[Kris Silver]

i'm not sure dawson is too upset tho.....hopkins probably isn't going to fight him, joe calzaghe is semi-retired, so the rematch w/ tarver is kind of "keeping him busy" until he finds out whether or not calzaghe or hopkins will fight him.

That doesn't really make sense. First you say their not going to fight him. Then you say, after Tarver he can find out if they'll fight him. The Tarver re match is if anything a hindrance to Chad and he must know this. He doesn't get a lot out of it unfortunately but such is the effects of choosing the path he has. Hopkins wants to fight v soon if he does, plus has said he won't face Dawson as he doesn't wana ruin another future of a division. Calzaghe well, again the scheduling isn't ideal with a Tarver re match, Calzaghe won't wait around forever, and it doesn't make Chad a particularly bigger name or draw, probably neglibible but hopefully slightly more so. Still, the re match is more of a hindrance then a help.

remember calzaghe and hopkins are both ranked ahead of chad at LHW, so he wants to "clean out the division." he's already beaten tarver and johnson, #4 and 5, so now he wants the top doggs......he's stated that if he can't get those two, he'll move down to 168, and take on the TOP fighters there...

Yes I remember that, and he's ranked behind them for a reason. He's not seen as better than them by most organisations, ring, or people, and hasn't beaten guys of such a high LHW ranking as them. Both have long planned to retire. Not ideal but that's how it is, messing around with a needless rematch because you wanted these fights, well that may just make a shot at them less likely unfortunately for him.

He's wanting to take on the best at SMW? Well he already turned down THE best at SMW, and has oddly said a guy whom was recently at WW, and still significantly lower divisions, that he'll fight him at SMW someday. He doesn't even know he'll be there, and isn't a top guy of the division below it, yet alone in that one. So fight the best at SMW, hardly.

[Boxingwizard]

Yes I remember that, and he's ranked behind them for a reason. He's not seen as better than them by most organisations, ring, or people, and hasn't beaten guys of such a high LHW ranking as them. Both have long planned to retire. Not ideal but that's how it is, messing around with a needless rematch because you wanted these fights, well that may just make a shot at them less likely unfortunately for him.

He's wanting to take on the best at SMW? Well he already turned down THE best at SMW, and has oddly said a guy whom was recently at WW, and still significantly lower divisions, that he'll fight him at SMW someday. He doesn't even know he'll be there, and isn't a top guy of the division below it, yet alone in that one. So fight the best at SMW, hardly.

Boxing organizations, the ring, etc are not always right, although they are right about Calzaghe being the #1 LHW and Hopkins the #2 LHW, that doesn't mean their both leagues above Dawson. Dawson has a very good chance at beating them and because of their age, there skills have degraded (more so Hopkins). Dawson doesn't want to fight in catchweights because he sees no point of it. Dawson has no problem making SMW, and he will gladly fight Mikkel Kessler or Lucian Bute in 168, depending if Adrian Diaconu or Glen Johnson is available.

[FLY TY]

That doesn't really make sense. First you say their not going to fight him. Then you say, after Tarver he can find out if they'll fight him. The Tarver re match is if anything a hindrance to Chad and he must know this. He doesn't get a lot out of it unfortunately but such is the effects of choosing the path he has. Hopkins wants to fight v soon if he does, plus has said he won't face Dawson as he doesn't wana ruin another future of a division. Calzaghe well, again the scheduling isn't ideal with a Tarver re match, Calzaghe won't wait around forever, and it doesn't make Chad a particularly bigger name or draw, probably neglibible but hopefully slightly more so. Still, the re match is more of a hindrance then a help.



Yes I remember that, and he's ranked behind them for a reason. He's not seen as better than them by most organisations, ring, or people, and hasn't beaten guys of such a high LHW ranking as them. Both have long planned to retire. Not ideal but that's how it is, messing around with a needless rematch because you wanted these fights, well that may just make a shot at them less likely unfortunately for him.

He's wanting to take on the best at SMW? Well he already turned down THE best at SMW, and has oddly said a guy whom was recently at WW, and still significantly lower divisions, that he'll fight him at SMW someday. He doesn't even know he'll be there, and isn't a top guy of the division below it, yet alone in that one. So fight the best at SMW, hardly.

he turned down kessler, cuz he had bigger fights AT LHW on his mind......

i said hopkins probably won't fight him, calzaghe is semi-retired (as in he hasn't announced his plans as of yet)........so in effect, the rematch against tarver is keeping him busy until joe makes up his mind........

you're talking like he called for the rematch against tarver.....where have you been?????

reread my posts.....i explain everything pretty well, i'm just going in circles with you. i don't have a problem debating, but some ppl on bs try to misconstrue **** you say, or act like they don't understand, only to get you into a needless back and forth.......

kessler wasn't worth him moving down to fight. period. he wanted bigger fights at LHW, if he can't get hopkins or calzaghe, which we should know sometime after the fight w/ tarver, he'll move down to 168.....pretty simple.

[FLY TY]

Boxing organizations, the ring, etc are not always right, although they are right about Calzaghe being the #1 LHW and Hopkins the #2 LHW, that doesn't mean their both leagues above Dawson. Dawson has a very good chance at beating them and because of their age, there skills have degraded (more so Hopkins). Dawson doesn't want to fight in catchweights because he sees no point of it. Dawson has no problem making SMW, and he will gladly fight Mikkel Kessler or Lucian Bute in 168, depending if Adrian Diaconu or Glen Johnson is available.

thank you! but he made no mention of fighting glen johnson again, or fighting diaconu at all, so he moves down to 168 if he can't get hopkins or calzaghe.....his words.

it wasn't even the catch-weight thing w/ kessler......its just that he was/is campaigning at 175 looking for big fights, and he felt kessler should've come up to 175 to fight him. the only fighter dawson has named that he'd move down to fight is PW, but he said if he can't get the fights he wants at LHW, he'll move down, as a LAST RESORT.