who quit in a more cowardly fashion - cotto or margarito?

[DUnknown1]

Agree to a point. Margarito went out there cause he knew it was "expected" and does not have the strength to do what was SMARTER for his health etc.


Warrior is another term for follower. You gotta be man enough to know what is best for you and not the crowd or what the crowd will think.

I respect Cotto more and think there was more courage in Cotto's choice.

The real MAN is the one that does not give in and join in the mob mentality or gangs etc. He walks alone and does what HE decides is best.

Any chump can say "I will never quit cause then people will think I am a sucker" < You already are if you are worried about what others think.

Well your a piece of work
So let me get this straight you are saying courage is a weakness, knowing that you might get KTFO and still go out there because you have duty to yourself and to you fans is a weakness.
Yeah, right buddy keep thinking that
So applying your logic, a soldier who goes to war knows he might get killed, yet they still risk their lives. would u consider a soldier a "coward".

B1tch, the only coward in here is you with that kind of mentality.

[123tyson123]

How did Margarito quit?

exactly what i was thinking. He got hammered to the canvas! cotto took a knee. Thats the only thing i got to discredit cotto for, i mean you wouldnt see ricky hatton and other warriors do that even if they was shattered.
Still I hope Cotto makes it to the top again.

[LetMeTelluSonti]

Well your a piece of work
So let me get this straight you are saying courage is a weakness, knowing that you might get KTFO and still go out there because you have duty to yourself and to you fans is a weakness.
Yeah, right buddy keep thinking that
So applying your logic, a soldier who goes to war knows he might get killed, yet they still risk their lives. would u consider a soldier a "coward".

B1tch, the only coward in here is you with that kind of mentality.

Oh let me slow it down for you.

The concept of being a warrior or MACHO is actually a sign of giving in to what others perceive you to be. To be punched in the face beyond reason for the sake of what others will think of you is cowardly.

He knew he was done, and he went out in the 9th to impress Chavez Sr. Not because he had balls.. Even Chavez Sr. Knew how and when to "quit." Ask Randall, and DLH. Tony took it to another level that even his heroes wouldn't. Why? He was dumb enough.

That's like the fool who gets shot in the mouth out of "fear" he would be deemed soft by his homeboys for not getting shot in the mouth.

This quitting on your shield BS is a cult of idiots afraid to man up and say, I am done.

You know I am right, but you wanna play dumb. A very small percentage of fighters are true warriors. The other 99% are afraid to be dubbed quitters. There ability to continue is rooted in FEAR of humiliation and NOT guts per se.

Hence, they are cowards nonetheless.

Damn, I am fckin brilliant.

I am ALL for "going out on your shield" when it's a true warrior and not someone acting like a warrior or doing it when you know they are not that hard. The last thought Margarito had was " Do it for Chavez!!!"

It's sacrificing yourself out of fear of ridicule. Weak.

[sylvestersweet]

Margarito actually
He didn't do everything he could do to try and squeeze out a win. He didn't change his gameplan in the face of adversity, and accepted inevitability. That, in my eyes, is more cowardly then to be winning the fight and then when things go sour try everything you could to still win.

[LetMeTelluSonti]

Margarito actually
He didn't do everything he could do to try and squeeze out a win. He didn't change his gameplan in the face of adversity, and accepted inevitability. That, in my eyes, is more cowardly then to be winning the fight and then when things go sour try everything you could to still win.

Exactly. A warrior would have tried. He folded after that 1st shot in round 1 and got his ass beat for what!???

He didn't fool me. Maybe he fooled the lesser evolved who think he "went out on his shield"

Nah he tried to come in with his Plaster and left his shield in the car. Brave?? My ****.

[crillz]

i saw people arguing back and forth in another thread about who quit in worse fashion so lets take a vote. i expect the ricans to vote for cotto and the mexicans to vote for there guy so we'll just factor in the clearly unbiased posters as the deciding votes.

cotto: bloody, battered, shattered, broken nose, (possibly being beaten with plastered hands), ate uppercut after uppercut, and quit from what looked to be exhaustion taking a knee without even being hit.

margarito: no blood from what i can recall, ate body shot after body shot, ate mosleys bombs and right hands all night with glee, got knocked down and was able to continue (although he didn't take the necessary steps forward towards the referee in the opinion of many), then got knocked down in the following round - with a smile on his face

Cotto didn't quit he was stopped, simple as that, he took 2 knees to attempt to recover his legs and was stopped shortly after, he admitted to not being the same after the first 6 rounds and was totally fatigued so he did the best instinctive thing a fighter does to prevent anymore immediate damage and he took a knee, something like how Floyd Mayweather took a knee for a hurt hand, at THAT precise moment he was defenseless so to avoid taking punches in that position he took a knee to keep off the damage, he rose up and continued fighting but he took the knee to allow himself enough time to gather himself and continue, in Cotto's case it was his corner and Referee who stepped up to stop it but in terms of HIS OWN ACTIONS? well in terms of that he rose up, he was responding in the way that a fighter does in tough times, regardless of how beaten and battered he was he beat the count and stood up on his feet, even the referee would have allowed him to continue if his corner had not stepped up because he showed the necessary signs of a man who wanted to continue because he beat the count he didn't stay down and roll over or walk away from his man, he simply lost the bout but he didn't quit, that was FAR from quitting..

also Margarito didn't quit neither, Margarito was knocked out after being Boxed out of his trunks by a better pugilist, someone who was able to use his power punching ability more effectively, someone who was in a whole higher bracket of prize fighters in Shane Mosley, Margarito was going to lose that fight even if they gave Panama Lewis a 1 time return to assist Capetillo in wrapping Antonio's hands, it wouldn't have mattered because in that bout it was the styles that determined the outcome not the plaster. there was a dominance that took place in the ring that night, there was a 1 sided assault in that ring as Tony wasn't ever in that fight, it was almost punching bag status. he laughed because he was acknowledging Mosley, it's almost like "you didn't hurt me, but I respect what you doing", at 1st Tony wasn't damaged, then it became "damn man you got it", some fighters react different to that realization in the middle of a fight, some showboat to play possum and others smile, either way once a punch makes you react in any way other than throwing a punch back whether it be smiling, stumbling or talking it serves as indication that you were affected by the other guys shots, he didn't take the necessary steps in continuing because he simply didn't know what to even feel, he never experienced that before..

neither men are quitters, you're just part of the plague that is ruining Boxing, throwing allegations as such calling these men quitters when they are not..

[DUnknown1]

Oh let me slow it down for you.

The concept of being a warrior or MACHO is actually a sign of giving in to what others perceive you to be. To be punched in the face beyond reason for the sake of what others will think of you is cowardly.

He knew he was done, and he went out in the 9th to impress Chavez Sr. Not because he had balls.. Even Chavez Sr. Knew how and when to "quit." Ask Randall, and DLH. Tony took it to another level that even his heroes wouldn't. Why? He was dumb enough.

That's like the fool who gets shot in the mouth out of "fear" he would be deemed soft by his homeboys for not getting shot in the mouth.

This quitting on your shield BS is a cult of idiots afraid to man up and say, I am done.

You know I am right, but you wanna play dumb. A very small percentage of fighters are true warriors. The other 99% are afraid to be dubbed quitters. There ability to continue is rooted in FEAR of humiliation and NOT guts per se.

Hence, they are cowards nonetheless.

Damn, I am fckin brilliant.

I am ALL for "going out on your shield" when it's a true warrior and not someone acting like a warrior or doing it when you know they are not that hard. The last thought Margarito had was " Do it for Chavez!!!"

It's sacrificing yourself out of fear of ridicule. Weak.

Margarito actually
He didn't do everything he could do to try and squeeze out a win. He didn't change his gameplan in the face of adversity, and accepted inevitability. That, in my eyes, is more cowardly then to be winning the fight and then when things go sour try everything you could to still win.

Actually...
You guys are confusing cowardliness with ******ity, the fact that he didn't quit is ****** not cowardly. Cotto was smart enought to quit. In the face adversity and eventhough it is futile to continue, Margarito chose to go out fighting.
That was ******, but very brave.
To let the influences of the fans convince you to continue is ****** but not cowardly.

[LetMeTelluSonti]

Cotto didn't quit he was stopped, simple as that, he took 2 knees to attempt to recover his legs and was stopped shortly after, he admitted to not being the same after the first 6 rounds and was totally fatigued so he did the best instinctive thing a fighter does to prevent anymore immediate damage and he took a knee, something like how Floyd Mayweather took a knee for a hurt hand, at THAT precise moment he was defenseless so to avoid taking punches in that position he took a knee to keep off the damage, he rose up and continued fighting but he took the knee to allow himself enough time to gather himself and continue, in Cotto's case it was his corner and Referee who stepped up to stop it but in terms of HIS OWN ACTIONS? well in terms of that he rose up, he was responding in the way that a fighter does in tough times, regardless of how beaten and battered he was he beat the count and stood up on his feet, even the referee would have allowed him to continue if his corner had not stepped up because he showed the necessary signs of a man who wanted to continue because he beat the count he didn't stay down and roll over or walk away from his man, he simply lost the bout but he didn't quit, that was FAR from quitting..

also Margarito didn't quit neither, Margarito was knocked out after being Boxed out of his trunks by a better pugilist, someone who was able to use his power punching ability more effectively, someone who was in a whole higher bracket of prize fighters in Shane Mosley, Margarito was going to lose that fight even if they gave Panama Lewis a 1 time return to assist Capetillo in wrapping Antonio's hands, it wouldn't have mattered because in that bout it was the styles that determined the outcome not the plaster. there was a dominance that took place in the ring that night, there was a 1 sided assault in that ring as Tony wasn't ever in that fight, it was almost punching bag status. he laughed because he was acknowledging Mosley, it's almost like "you didn't hurt me, but I respect what you doing", at 1st Tony wasn't damaged, then it became "damn man you got it", some fighters react different to that realization in the middle of a fight, some showboat to play possum and others smile, either way once a punch makes you react in any way other than throwing a punch back whether it be smiling, stumbling or talking it serves as indication that you were affected by the other guys shots, he didn't take the necessary steps in continuing because he simply didn't know what to even feel, he never experienced that before..

neither men are quitters, you're just part of the plague that is ruining Boxing, throwing allegations as such calling these men quitters when they are not..

I agree, I am challenging the definition of "quitting" or being a "warrior." Do I really think Tony quit? Nah, at least not on a surface level. Was he broken very early in the fight? Yes. Do I go overboard and call him a hero for his performance and getting KTFO? Nah, I give Mosley the credit for the KO not the victim.

[DUnknown1]

Exactly. A warrior would have tried. He folded after that 1st shot in round 1 and got his ass beat for what!???

He didn't fool me. Maybe he fooled the lesser evolved who think he "went out on his shield"

Nah he tried to come in with his Plaster and left his shield in the car. Brave?? My ****.

By your thoughts I bet you've hardly been in a fight, or boxing match, and I can tell you if you've been hit hard, it is very hard to throw punches, your mind wants to, but your body doesn't respond.

[LetMeTelluSonti]

It's harder too when you don't have your secret plaster wraps too. Margarito knew it was over before round 1. He knew he was once again the 5 loss having, average Welterweight.

I don't celebrate KO victims as warriors. Those are a dime a dozen.