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  • DLT
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    After Rewatching The Fight A Million Times.....

    I have come to this conclusion regarding Margarito. I think he is still legit and will sill beat Cotto. I wouldnt be shocked at all if Cotto won but as of right now I would still favor Margarito. What none of us know is how much he will be affected by all those head shots that Mosley landed and him being stopped for the 1st time in his career but my basic point is that he was the same exact guy in the Mosley fight that he was in the Cotto fight.

    The only differnce is that Mosley is just a horrible matchup for him. Even at Margarito's best, he's still a guy with a ton more flaws then a normal elite guy would have so its not shocking to see him get destroyed by a guy like Mosley who has the perfect skill set to take advantage of those flaws. As far as the wraps go, I dont know if he cheated or not but if you rewatch the fight alot and look closely you can still see that he was throwing some shots with some solid force against Shane but he just couldnt land much because of Shane's speed and the fact that he had to be alot more defensive then normal. I compare his hand wraps thing to Tito. Even after the Hopkins fight, Tito still showed himself to have some solid power I think its safe to say. It may not have been like it was but it was still better then most guys and I think its the same for Margarito. He's not a 1 punch guy like Tito though anyways so it probably wont affect him as much.

    I still favor him over Cotto because there were still times in the Mosley fight where he was coming forward with great momentum and throwing some hard shots but Shane would just quickly stop it every time. Can Cotto do that? One huge thing about that fight was how Shane manhandled him from the opening bell in the clinches. Can Cotto do that? Its not really his style and after this Mosley fight, Im sure Margarito will try alot harder to be more physical in the clinch. Will Cotto tie up Margarito in spots like Shane did and if so then can he be strong in the clinch, and can he just flat out be as effective as Shane was when doing it? Then there were a few occasions in that fight where Mosley couldnt clinch, Margarito was gaining momentum, and Shane just got rough with blistering combos and came to Margarito. Can Cotto do that? Shane has a beast chin and maybe the best will in the business. Does Cotto have those things, e****ally after being stopped in the last fight. Mosley stood toe to toe with Margarito, never ran, and stayed inside alot. Can Cotto fight that way against Margarito without getting hurt alot?

    You still have to remember that with all things equal, Margarito still knows that he knocked Cotto out and Cotto knows that he was knocked out. I also think in some ways that the Mosley fight may hurt Cotto because now if the fight starts and its tough after a few rounds, Cotto may start to question himself since Mosley dominated him and everyone said Margarito may be done. I think that could play in Cotto's head if he's not totally dominant early. What about when Cotto's team makes sure that the gloves arent loaded but when the fight starts, he finds out that the punches still hurt. Thats another mental hurdel to overcome. I just think its still a scary fight that I wouldnt let happened if I was Arum. Its a lose-lose situation either way and there's still a great chance that your golden boy in Cotto could lose back to back fights against Margarito while still no one beleives that Margarito can beat Shane, Williams, and maybe not even Clottey now. I still think Margarito is legit, I still favor him against Cotto, but I still think he's a highly flawed guy who will still always lose to Mosley, Williams, and proabably Clottey
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    #2
    Originally posted by DLT
    I have come to this conclusion regarding Margarito. I think he is still legit and will sill beat Cotto. I wouldnt be shocked at all if Cotto won but as of right now I would still favor Margarito. What none of us know is how much he will be affected by all those head shots that Mosley landed and him being stopped for the 1st time in his career but my basic point is that he was the same exact guy in the Mosley fight that he was in the Cotto fight.

    The only differnce is that Mosley is just a horrible matchup for him. Even at Margarito's best, he's still a guy with a ton more flaws then a normal elite guy would have so its not shocking to see him get destroyed by a guy like Mosley who has the perfect skill set to take advantage of those flaws. As far as the wraps go, I dont know if he cheated or not but if you rewatch the fight alot and look closely you can still see that he was throwing some shots with some solid force against Shane but he just couldnt land much because of Shane's speed and the fact that he had to be alot more defensive then normal. I compare his hand wraps thing to Tito. Even after the Hopkins fight, Tito still showed himself to have some solid power I think its safe to say. It may not have been like it was but it was still better then most guys and I think its the same for Margarito. He's not a 1 punch guy like Tito though anyways so it probably wont affect him as much.

    I still favor him over Cotto because there were still times in the Mosley fight where he was coming forward with great momentum and throwing some hard shots but Shane would just quickly stop it every time. Can Cotto do that? One huge thing about that fight was how Shane manhandled him from the opening bell in the clinches. Can Cotto do that? Its not really his style and after this Mosley fight, Im sure Margarito will try alot harder to be more physical in the clinch. Will Cotto tie up Margarito in spots like Shane did and if so then can he be strong in the clinch, and can he just flat out be as effective as Shane was when doing it? Then there were a few occasions in that fight where Mosley couldnt clinch, Margarito was gaining momentum, and Shane just got rough with blistering combos and came to Margarito. Can Cotto do that? Shane has a beast chin and maybe the best will in the business. Does Cotto have those things, e****ally after being stopped in the last fight. Mosley stood toe to toe with Margarito, never ran, and stayed inside alot. Can Cotto fight that way against Margarito without getting hurt alot?

    You still have to remember that with all things equal, Margarito still knows that he knocked Cotto out and Cotto knows that he was knocked out. I also think in some ways that the Mosley fight may hurt Cotto because now if the fight starts and its tough after a few rounds, Cotto may start to question himself since Mosley dominated him and everyone said Margarito may be done. I think that could play in Cotto's head if he's not totally dominant early. What about when Cotto's team makes sure that the gloves arent loaded but when the fight starts, he finds out that the punches still hurt. Thats another mental hurdel to overcome. I just think its still a scary fight that I wouldnt let happened if I was Arum. Its a lose-lose situation either way and there's still a great chance that your golden boy in Cotto could lose back to back fights against Margarito while still no one beleives that Margarito can beat Shane, Williams, and maybe not even Clottey now. I still think Margarito is legit, I still favor him against Cotto, but I still think he's a highly flawed guy who will still always lose to Mosley, Williams, and proabably Clottey
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    • dans
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      #3
      Let's completely forget the whole hand wraps thing for a minute. One thing we all need to ask ourselves about Margarito is, when are the wheels going to start to fall off?

      I mean in the past couple years he has been involved in a tough loss to Paul Williams (took a lot of punches), a shootout with Cintron (took some hard shots), a war with Cotto (took a lot of punches), and a humiliating loss to Mosley (KTFO).

      Is Margarito going to be the same guy he was the first time against Cotto? I have a hard time believing that.

      No matter how good his chin is, he has to be getting worn out at this point.

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      • DLT
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        Originally posted by dans01234
        Let's completely forget the whole hand wraps thing for a minute. One thing we all need to ask ourselves about Margarito is, when are the wheels going to start to fall off?

        I mean in the past couple years he has been involved in a tough loss to Paul Williams (took a lot of punches), a shootout with Cintron (took some hard shots), a war with Cotto (took a lot of punches), and a humiliating loss to Mosley (KTFO).

        Is Margarito going to be the same guy he was the first time against Cotto? I have a hard time believing that.

        No matter how good his chin is, he has to be getting worn out at this point.
        Now thats true and none of us know the real answer to that but my basic point was that alot of people came away thinking that he looked alot different in that Mosley fight but if you really watch it closley, he was the same exact guy that he was in the Cotto fight. Mosley was just a bad matchup for him and had a perfect game plan. He's the worst matchup out there for Margarito. Now all that was before the fight and during the fight. After the fight I dont know what he is because he damn sure took a massive beating and he started to look a little punchy late in that fight

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        • baCCaT
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          #5
          coming from shane himself, he knows how to fight the style of margarito. that itself gave him the W.

          so its really hard to sum up if margs going downhill. remember the fighters he fought previously, they are all quality fighters and marg won them.

          ironically, im a cotto fan (big big fan)

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          • dans
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            #6
            Originally posted by DLT
            Now thats true and none of us know the real answer to that but my basic point was that alot of people came away thinking that he looked alot different in that Mosley fight but if you really watch it closley, he was the same exact guy that he was in the Cotto fight. Mosley was just a bad matchup for him and had a perfect game plan. He's the worst matchup out there for Margarito. Now all that was before the fight and during the fight. After the fight I dont know what he is because he damn sure took a massive beating and he started to look a little punchy late in that fight
            The knockout looked like years of punches catching up with him all at once to me.

            The main difference with how Margs fought in the Mosley and Cotto fights is momentum. Because Mosley was able to lock up and even push Margarito around, it destroyed his momentum. If Cotto can learn from Mosley and become more physical with Margs, I think it could be an easy fight for him. If he continues to refuse to lock his man up he will lose again.

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            • Bad~JuJu
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              #7
              Mosley just laid out the blueprint on how to beat Margarito.
              Margarito recently laid out the blueprint on how to beat Cotto.
              Who will come out of this stronger? Ill go with Cotto should a rematch actually materialize based on his overall better rounded abilities as opposed to Margarito.
              Margarito is a bit 1 dimensional, and as Mosely just showed if you take away his assets
              and tie him up he doesn't have much of anything else to offer. In other words he cant adapt, but if he can manage to fight his type of fight he has proven he's a tough man to beat.

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              • adrsan84
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                #8
                Mosley's gameplan was perfect and he has the strenght and speed to execute it. The difference between this fight and the Cotto fight was that in this one Mosley would land blistering shots, just as Cotto did, but then he would tie up, and where Margarito had invested in bodywork he never did. So this lead to Tony being much more tired, and Shane being a lot fresher, and keeping his power and speed until the late rounds, allowing him to stop Tony.

                I actually think Cotto is also capable of pulling off the same game plan, but he has to be very smart, as Shane was. He can't allow Tony to work on the inside and land to the body after landing those big blows.

                Because of the accumulation of punishment from the Cintron, Cotto, and Mosley fight I think Cotto has a very good chance of stopping Tony, he just needs to fight smart.

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                • MANGLER
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                  Back to back wars wit Cintron, Cotto, and a beatdown from SSM gotta take sumthin outta Marg. He can still win, but I ain't 100% convinced like I was when the rematch was first talked about.

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                  • Pullcounter
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by HollaHolla
                    Mosley just laid out the blueprint on how to beat Margarito.
                    Margarito recently laid out the blueprint on how to beat Cotto.
                    Who will come out of this stronger? Ill go with Cotto should a rematch actually materialize based on his overall better rounded abilities as opposed to Margarito.
                    Margarito is a bit 1 dimensional, and as Mosely just showed if you take away his assets
                    and tie him up he doesn't have much of anything else to offer. In other words he cant adapt, but if he can manage to fight his type of fight he has proven he's a tough man to beat.
                    I also think mosley is just a bad style match up for margo.

                    although if cotto invests in bodyshots and keeps his back away from the ropes cotto might be able to beat margo

                    also depends on if margo's chin is broke and how much wear and tear is on cotto from the first beatdown.

                    also depends on cotto's stamina, if he doesnt improve on his stamina, he might lose again

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