Vitali will be exposed...

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Hiyas,

This is not intended to start a flame war with the Vitali loyals.

Ive recently seen the fight between Sanders and Rahman from 1995 and have noticed similarities between Vitali vs Sanders, lol apart from the fact before you say it that Sanders was fighting and it was a boxing match.
People say that Vitali has a good solid chin, I totaly disagree, as Sanders is not a real heavy puncher. In his bout with Rahman he hit him all night long with straight left hands and they had no effect on Rahman, who by the way is not well known for a good chin. Rahman on the other hand had Sanders, a 34 year old slim and fit looking Sanders down 3 times, Vitali didnt put him down once, questioning his own power. I think Vitali came along at the right time when oposition was none existant, the only decent fighter he has fought was a fat out of shape and unmotivated Lewis. Lewis was ****e that night and deserved to loose, but guess what he didnt he busted Vits face to shreads, and though Lewis behind on cards he was dishing out some very heavy damage to Vitali before the TKO, summed up quickly Vit was ass kicked by a lack luster Lewis and would have been KTFO in the later rounds had it continued. Now if thats Vitali's claim to fame being the nearly man its crap and meaningless.
When Vitali meets Williams I think we are all going to be shocked, well not all of us because many people believe that Williams will walk straight through Vitali and KO him in style.
Every time Vitali got hit by Sanders, who realy isnt a hard puncher, he blinked and screwed his face up and ran backwards off balance looking very gun shy, I tell you if he backs away from Williams even for a second he will wake looking up at the ref at the count of nine. Williams has got a devastating right or left hook and will be heavier than Vit on the night when not if he connects its gonna be lights out baby.
The only way i can see Williams loosing is if he lets Vit push him backwards all night.

[J !]

i do not agree that Sanders isnt a heavy puncher thats not true, I do beleive the fight may go somink like this though.

Vitali comes out to dominate firing off the jab and the stinging right hand williams has to use a lot lateral movement to get inside, get to vitali early and hurt him give him somink to think about. Its imperative he does this, if he doesnt and let vitali fire off that big one two all night its bye bye Danny.

If williams can get inside, tie vitali up, he will have the advantage, its nigh on impossible to punch down when you are so much taller without exposing yourself to the big uppercut on the inside, something we lennox do to good effect in the final round of their much vaunted clash. Danny need to do that as often as possible.

Danny has to stick this game plan for the first 4-5 rounds in my view, when he is on the outside he needs to work off the jab to give himself room to get inside. Movement is the key.

I personally have doubts bout V's stamina, and this is where Williams can capitalise, if he takes past the 6th I think he drown vitali as he did tyson. (ok tyson only had stamina for 3 rounds Im giving klit 6-8).

Then danny can unload his own bombs and his power is underrated imo, he has fast hands too he needs to put these advantages to good effect, its hurting vitali early not letting him settle, using better movement and footwork to keep the champ guessing and then getitng inisde and making it count, slamming that big rib cage to slow the ukranian down, that holds the key, If he can do this and fight baqsically the perfect fight of the smaller man, then he will win.

If he doesnt then Vitali will prevail. thats my take!


getting off the fence im going for a williams victory tko rnd 9

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Wy do think williams stamina is better than vits, he had a very high tempo fighting sanders, and he weighs 15lb less than williams.

I dont see it, do think danny has good stamina because its better than tyson?

Besides ive Vit seen him knock people in the 10-12 round.

[jujitsujn]

I think Vital does indeed have a decent chin. Look at the Lewis fight. He took some big shots that night, and it didn't even seem to faze him.

[MetalVomit]

I think Vital does indeed have a decent chin. Look at the Lewis fight. He took some big shots that night, and it didn't even seem to faze him.

Vitali took some monster shots from Lewis, Remember that huge uppercut Lewis landed in the last round? It almost lifted Vitali off his feet, he tied up for a second and got right back to pressuring Lewis. To think that Lewis wasnt more tired than Vitali at the point is a joke, the person that started this thread said that Lewis would have KO'd him in the later rounds. No one can change what really happened, but Lewis looked like he was going to have a heart attack at the end of that last round, he would have been stopped. I'm looking foward to this fight.

[abdiel2k3]

im so tired of this fat out of shape lennox crap
that dumb fruit has gotten people to believe him
he wasnt that out of shape
he was a little thicker then normal but by no means any more out of shape then he normally is
he only came in about 10 pounds more thne his normal weight
besides he had a fight with johnson comin up
why would he be out of shape?

just face it
he was to old for vitali
thats the only reason
that nite and any nite after that
Vitali would end up the winner
and he knew it
hence his retirement
nothing wrong with leaving on top

[dempseyfire]

Vitali has a decent chin but he was OUT ON HIS FEET at the end of the 6th round (and dumb Jum Lampley didn't even see the punch Lewis hithim with and claimed Lewis was holding on, even though it was Vitali who was falling into Lewis . . ) Go watch the tape. I don't even know why this is debated anymore. He was more out of it then Lewis was, who was even able to land another uppercut at the bell.
Regarding the Sanders-Rahman fight-Rahman was down twice. Sanders can hit. But the bad thing is that the Sanders who fought Vitali was not the Sanders who fought Rahman, and even though Rahman was shaken by his shots he never retreated or was as stunned as Klitscko was in that 1st round. Sanders against Klitschko was older, fatter (and Corrie never had great conditioning or stamina), and could only fight for about 20 seconds of each round before he got fatigued. And Vitali still got very tired after the 5-6th round. Vitali's stamina is not very good (and don't bring up the Donald and Bean fight b/c those guys did absolutely nothing for the whole fight and Klitschko stopped them on their feet he didn't knock them down). Williams is a wild card but I think he has the style to upset Vitali.

[J !]

im so tired of this fat out of shape lennox crap
that dumb fruit has gotten people to believe him
he wasnt that out of shape
he was a little thicker then normal but by no means any more out of shape then he normally is
he only came in about 10 pounds more thne his normal weight
besides he had a fight with johnson comin up
why would he be out of shape?

just face it
he was to old for vitali
thats the only reason
that nite and any nite after that
Vitali would end up the winner
and he knew it
hence his retirement
nothing wrong with leaving on top

some of what you say is true there mate, I do think Lennox realised the new hungry guy was up and coming and whether he had the desire to get back into prime physical shape he needed was in fact not debatable cos he retired so he had enough.

However to put this into perspective until a week or 2 before the fight Lewis was fighting the human lard bucket Kirk Johnson whom lets face it even an out of shape lewis couldda dealt with inside 5, when Kirk pulled out Lewis was left facing a loss of millions diue to the card being promoted by his company Lion promotions so he gave Vitali the shot.

So hardly ideal prep for either man, but Vitali is undoubtedly gonna be the hungrier due to the nature of the state of the careers, so he was in better shape and I believe his original oppoenent was probably potentially more taxing than Kirk. (it sl;ips my mind whom but monte barret was it?)

So Lewis was 10llbs over his normal weight thats a ****ing lot mate for a prime time athlete, a heck of lot.


TO answer the question bout the stamina cos Ive seen danny do 12 rounds many many times, he is a proven 12 round fighter and can keep the pace up so I beleive his stamina as the more compact man, will be better and more durable also Vitlai has shown signs in his previous fights that he is puffing a bit come the half way mark.....sanders isnt a good example cos Corrie was so bloody out of shape its no pride to say you outworked someone who was 15 pounds over fighting weight is it?, not scientific I know but you asked!!!

fair comment above guys?? Interested to know any others.

[GranTorino]

If you didnt intend this become a flame Vitali-hating thread, why did you give it that name? Let me put it to you simply. If Lennox the Lion, an infinitely better boxer than Williams, lost to Vitali every round, and was on his way to getting KTFO, what in God's name makes you think that Williams would do any better? C'mon man, get your head on right.

[jabsRstiff]

Danny Williams is a mediocre fighter.

He did nothing special against Tyson but survive.
I think if anyone survives Tyson early (which isn't as hard to do as before, Mike's just a winger now) & puts a few shots together, they have a great chance of taking him out.