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    2009 Gets a Sugar Shock: BoxingScene Pound for Pound Top Ten

    By Cliff Rold

    Turn back the clock? Nonsense.

    What Shane Mosley did, at age 37, was much more than that. He ripped the clock off the wall and stomped on it in much the same fashion he took to curb stomping Antonio Margarito over nine rounds on January 24th. It was a revelatory performance that allows for reevaluation of his entire career and it certainly causes a new look at the state of the game’s best fighters. How new a look?

    Let’s consult the Boxing Scene Pound for Pound ratings.

    1) Manny Pacquiao (48-3-2, 36 KO’S)

    Age: 30

    Current Titles: Alphabelt at Lightweight/135 lbs.

    Career Titles: Lineal World Flyweight/112 lb. champion (1998-99); World Featherweight/126 lb. champion (2003-2005); World Jr. Lightweight/130 lb. champion (2008); additional alphabelts at 112, 122, &130 lbs.

    Last Five Opponents: Oscar De La Hoya, David Diaz, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Jorge Solis

    Next Opponent: May 2, 2009 vs. World Junior Welterweight Champion Ricky Hatton (45-1, 32 KO)

    The Take: Even granting that a large part of Pacquiao’s incredibly dominant win over De La Hoya was based on Oscar being past his best, it was still remarkable by way of style. It was mastery of a legendary type and Pacquiao is indeed a living legend at this point. His evolution from a one handed power puncher early in his career to the complete machine he’s become is a credit to Freddie Roach and a story certain to be long for Boxing lore. Not bad for a once-late replacement opponent for Lehlo Ledwaba. Think of some of the most notable former Flyweight champions…of Wilde, Canto, LaBarba, Harada…none can say they ever rode the scale to the World Featherweight title (Harada came close), the World Jr. Lightweight title (LaBarba came close), and then steamrolled a former Welterweight king (none tried). The top three men in these contemporary ratings all represent greatness, historical greatness, of some special kinds. None have done more than this man across so wide a chasm. When the old-timers say it’s not like it used to be, just smile. In some cases, it might be better. Even if the now logical Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather bout never occurs, a Pacquiao win over World Jr. Welterweight champion Ricky Hatton in 2009 would make him the first to lay real claim as a four-division lineal World Champion in history and put to rest any questions of just who has been the fighter of this decade.

    2) Joe Calzaghe (46-0, 32 KO)

    Age: 36

    Current Title: Ring Magazine Light Heavyweight/175 lb. titlist

    Career Titles: World Super Middlweight/168 lb. Champion (2006-Present); Alphabelt titles at 168 lbs. since 1997

    Last Five Opponents: Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Mikkel Kessler, Peter Manfredo, Sakio Bika

    Next Opponent: TBA

    The Take: The win over Roy Jones in November was predictable but as icing on a career cake, it wasn’t all bad. There will forever be speculation about whether a younger Calzaghe would have defeated younger versions of Jones or Hopkins, but there need be no speculation about Calzaghe’s greatness. If he has fought his last bout, and it says here he probably has not, he leaves with nothing to prove. A record tying run at Super Middleweight culminated with dominance over two undefeated tigers and Hopkins win over Middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik in October casts new light on how impressive Calzaghe truly was in defeating the old master earlier this year. As long as there is a Super Middleweight division, Calzaghe will be the standard all others are measured by. That is all-time greatness in our time. Should he continue, one would hope he’d set his sights on one last undefeated young tiger: Light Heavyweight Chad Dawson. It would be a hell of a fight.

    3) Bernard Hopkins (49-5-1, 32 KO)

    Age: 43 Years Young

    Current Title: None

    Career Titles: Ring Light Heavyweight titlist (2006-2008); World Middleweight/160 lb. Champion (2001-2005); Alphabelt titles at 160 lbs. from 1995-2005

    Last Five Opponents: Kelly Pavlik, Joe Calzaghe, Winky Wright, Antonio Tarver, Jermain Taylor (twice)

    Next Opponent: TBA

    The Take: There were some dull performances from Hopkins in recent years, performances that made him look like his age was catching up to him as defense came too often before offense. The win over Pavlik was the opposite, Hopkins best performance since the Trinidad fight and, all things considered, perhaps even better than that gem. Given the proof that Hopkins is still capable of fighting at the level he showed against Pavlik, then there is no way he can rest anywhere else amongst the world’s best fighters than just below Pacquiao and the man who competitively defeated him in April, Calzaghe. Everyone else moves down one spot. Consider this as well in appreciating Hopkins: all of his last four foes were near universally rated in the top ten’s that populate Boxing going into their bouts with Hopkins. The losses to Taylor were both highly controversial and the wins over Tarver and Wright were not close. Furthermore, they can’t be viewed as performances from an ‘old’ fighter anymore…at least not in the normal context of ‘old.’ The win over Pavlik, particularly the sheer dominance of it, casts Hopkins recent run in a whole new light and provides compelling evidence that, at 43, he’s still an active all-time great rather a historical one and he gets full credit for the distinction.

    4) Juan Manuel Marquez (49-4-1, 36 KO)

    Age: 35

    Current Title: World Lightweight Champion (2008-Present)

    Career Titles: Alphabet titles at 126, 130 lbs.

    Last Five Opponents: Joel Casamayor, Manny Pacquiao, Rocky Juarez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Jimrex Jaca

    Next Opponent: February 28, 2009 vs. Juan Diaz (34-1, 17 KO)

    The Take: Is it possible the Casamayor win could get a little overrated? Casamayor entered the ring aged 37 years after all and should have lost his title almost one year ago against Jose Armando Santa Cruz. That said, Casamayor looked good in March, stopping Michael Katsidis, and looked even better against the better Marquez. Marquez, no spring chicken himself, won anyways in a balanced battle of body and mind, becoming the first man to stop Casamayor after bigger, presumably harder hitting men like Jose Luis Castillo, Acelino Freitas, and the late Diego Corrales could not. Marquez, in his first fight at Lightweight and only his fifth above Featherweight since moving up permanently in 2007, dismantled Casamayor with precision punching and guts. Those were big left hands cutting into him all night, from a bigger man, and Marquez would not relent. It’s impressive when one remembers he weighed only 124 ½ for Jimrex Jaca less than two years ago. In victory, he picks up his first lineal World title after just missing out on the distinction at 126 and 130 lbs., cursed on both occasions by the excellent Pacquiao. A third fight with Manny would be next in a world of best-cases but Marquez lives in a world where his promoter and a promotional stable mate, Ricky Hatton, have gotten and now are more likely to get the opportunity he desires. In the meantime, he looks forward to a showdown with young former titlist Juan Diaz and questions of when he might consider settling the issue of Lightweight supremacy with multi-belted titlist Nate Campbell.

    5) Shane Mosley (46-5, 39 KO)

    Age: 37

    Current Title: Alphabelt at Welterweight/147 lbs.

    Career Titles: World Welterweight (2000-02); World Junior Middleweight (2003-04); Additional Alphabelt at Lightweight

    Last Five Opponents: Antonio Margarito, Ricardo Mayorga, Miguel Cotto, Luis Collazo, Fernando Vargas (twice)

    Next Opponent: TBA

    The Take: Mosley can’t quite claim to be the undisputed king of the class following his humbling of Antonio Margarito, but there can be no doubt he reigns now as “The Man” again almost seven years after losing the spot to Vernon Forrest. Sure, he lost narrowly to Miguel Cotto in 2007 but there were arguments for both men. Mosley never even let Margarito make a case. Like another great Sugar at the same calendar age, Ray Robinson, Mosley showed the ability to handle a younger pressure fighter and summon youth from an aging body for victory. Margarito may not have been Carmen Basilio, but he had never been made to look the way Mosley left him. Add to that a powerful run of recent competition and Mosley assumes Margarito’s spot in these ratings and improves it by one. Previous #5 Vasquez drops partly because no one is sure when he’ll be fighting again as he nears one year out of the ring. Boxing now stares at what could be a dream four-way scenario if Floyd Mayweather chooses to return. Manny Pacquiao and Ricky Hatton are busy this spring; Mosley has an open dance card. Mosley-Mayweather has been must-see for over a decade. Amazingly, Mosley has shown the world it still is.

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    6) Israel Vasquez (43-4, 31 KO)

    Age: 31

    Current Title: World Jr. Featherweight/122 lb. Champion (2007-Present)

    Career Titles: World Jr. Featherweight (2005-2007); additional alphabelts at 122 lbs.

    Last Five Opponents: Rafael Marquez (thrice), Jhonny Gonzalez, Ivan Hernandez, Oscar Larios, Armando Guerrero

    Next Opponent: TBA

    The Take: Vasquez was for years one of those incredible crowd-pleasers that few thought of as one of the very best in the game until one day he just was. Now, having left fans in awe after an all-time great thrillogy with Marquez, Vasquez goes from working class toughie to shoe-in Hall of Famer. Suddenly, the trilogy against Larios, the up from the deck win over Gonzalez in 2006…it all just means more. There can never be a discussion of the great Jr. Featherweights without him. Vasquez is proof that hard work and balls are just as important as natural athleticism in the ring. What’s next for him is unknown but as long as it nets him a solid check he’s earned it. It might be selfish given the punishment it would exact, but hoping for a showdown one day with the emergent Juan Manuel Lopez is forgivable. At the least, newly unified titlist Celestino Caballero deserves and has earned a shot. No matter what, Vasquez can know forever that a fighter once rarely thought of will never be forgotten.

    7) Ivan Calderon (32-0, 6 KO)

    Age: 34

    Current Title: World Jr. Flyweight/108 lb. Champion (2007-Present)

    Career Titles: Additional alphabelts at 105 & 108 lbs.

    Last Five Opponents: Hugo Cazares (twice), Nelson Dieppa, Juan Esquer, Ronald Barrera, Jose Luis Varela

    Next Opponent: TBA

    The Take: You’ll read from many a knowledgeable scribe that this diminutive Puerto Rican champion ‘might be the best pure boxer in the sport.’ Calderon can do it all in the ring short of knock opponents dead, making his inability to lose thus far all the more remarkable. His game is all skill with just enough thrill (usually) to make his fights worth watching; this is no Sven Ottke. After years as the uncrowned king at 105 lbs., Calderon outboxed and outgutted a much larger (at the opening bell) Cazares in August 2007 to cement his foothold among the game’s elite by capturing the World title at 108 lbs. The similarly small Ricardo Lopez was marvelously underrated for years of his prime; no need to make that mistake twice with Calderon facing the near end of his. His easy wins over fellow Puerto Rican Dieppa and Mexican rival Cazares were okay but Calderon’s biggest tests could come from excellent IBF titlist Ulises Solis or equally deserving WBC titlist Edgar Sosa. There is also the possibility of pursuing a third WBO belt at Flyweight against unheralded Donnie Nietes.

    8) Paul Williams (36-1, 27 KO)

    Age: 27

    Current Title: None

    Career Titles: Two alphabelt reigns at Welterweight

    Last Five Opponents: Verno Phillips, Andy Kolle, Carlos Quintana (twice), Antonio Margarito, Santos Pakau

    Next Opponent: April 11, 2009 vs. Winky Wright (51-4-1, 25 KO)

    The Take: For twenty years, the only way Verno Phillips missed a final bell was if he sent his opponent home early. In other words, Williams’ stoppage of Phillips in November was an impressive feat. Had Phillips not had to vacate his IBF belt at 154 lbs., it also would have been the start of his third major title reign in his second division. Add to that a tough win over Margarito in July 2007 and a first-loss avenging first round blasting of Quintana and Boxing fans can see in Williams a potentially special fighter. At 6’1, with speed and power, he might be one of the most intimidating presences in Boxing. He’s in line for a shot at undefeated WBO Jr. Middleweight titlist Sergiy Dzinziruk and a win would be impressive. If he could parlay it from there into unification with veteran WBC titlist Vernon Forrest, Williams would have a strong claim to king of the Jr. Middleweight class…and an even better case for the desirable matches with whomever the Kings at Welter and Middleweight will be by then. Before he gets there, Williams will first take on arguably the finest Jr. Middleweight of the decade in a Middleweight fight. Wright may have been off for close to two years, but given the recent form of older fighters like Mosley and Hopkins, Winky has to be seen as live in April.

    9) Rafael Marquez (37-5, 33 KO)

    Age: 33

    Current Title: World Jr. Featherweight (2007)

    Career Titles: Alphabelt at Bantamweight/118 lbs.

    Last Five Opponents: Israel Vasquez (thrice), Silence Mabuza, Ricardo Vargas, Mauricio Pastrana, Heriberto Ruiz

    Next Opponent: TBA

    The Take: Marquez had the better resume prior to his rivalry with Vasquez and, even in losing 2 of 3, all he’s done is add to the shine. After three early career stoppage losses that might have doomed him to be just “Juan Manuel’s brother,” Marquez found his way into the ring in 2001 and 02 with American Flyweight great Mark Johnson. Johnson was his first great rival and Marquez ended Johnson’s prime while emerging victorious in both those bouts. In 2003, he ended the run of another solid American, then-undefeated bantamweight Tim Austin, annexing the IBF belt at 118 lbs. in the process. Seven title defenses later, he stood out as one of the best Bantamweights to come around since the 1980s heyday of Jeff Chandler. His world title victory in the first Vasquez fight and the two subsequent losses put the icing on the cake. His has been a great career and it’s not over yet, but age is catching his body rapidly and the end may be nearer than anyone would hope for. One might ask by the end of this list why his two straight losses seemingly count less than losses for other fighters like a Miguel Cotto. The evidence is in the fights. Marquez had a case for victory in the rubber match with Vasquez and was nip-tuck throughout the epic trilogy; if Vasquez is here, Marquez belongs nearby though if both find youthful titlists like the aforementioned Lopez or a Steve Molitor to much for their worn bodies to withstand next year, it would be no surprise.

    10) Chad Dawson (27-0, 17 KO)

    Age: 26

    Current Title: Alphabelt at 175 lbs.

    Career Titles: Another Alphabelt at 175

    Last Five Opponents: Antonio Tarver, Glen Johnson, Epifanio Mendoza, Jesus Ruiz, Tomasz Adamek

    Next Opponent: March 14, 2009 vs. Antonio Tarver (27-5, 19 KO)

    The Take: This was by far the toughest spot to fill. Darchinyan was magnificent in defeating Mijares but the dominant knockout loss he suffered to Donaire in 2007, and the reluctance stated by Darchinyan promoter Gary Shaw to make a rematch, weighs heavy. Donaire, as good as he’s looked, still carries a fairly light resume to date. His overall career, big win or not, has yet to match Darchinyan’s and that’s before addressing Dawson. The Light Heavyweight has put together an impressive run since toppling veteran Eric Harding in 2006. His win over Adamek was almost bell to bell control; Adamek has since established himself as the best Cruiserweight in the world. Johnson and Tarver give him two recent popular choices for Light Heavyweight champion of the World. The Johnson bout last April could have gone either way but he survived a war and came out a better fighter for it, showing the improvements in handling a game Tarver in October. An endorsement from Floyd Mayweather as the sports best fighter may be premature, but Mayweather knows his Boxing. He sees something special. At this point, so should everyone else. The same can be said of Donaire and Darchinyan and if anyone wants to consider the ten spot a three-way tie, feel free. The Tarver rematch is less than anticipated but it’s a classic trap fight and, interestingly, Tarver has never lost a rematch.

    Exiting the Ratings: Antonio Margarito (Previously #6)

    Five More Who Could Easily Be Here: Miguel Cotto, Nonito Donaire, Mikkel Kessler, Fernando Montiel, Vic Darchinyan

    Five More Who Could Be Here Shortly: Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Lopez, Chris John, Kelly Pavlik, Arthur Abraham

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      I rather see Cotto up in the top 10 then Dawson or Williams. Cotto has wins over Judah and Mosley and now his loss to Margarito is skeptical. Vic has some good names on his resume and he has been around longer then Dawson...Anyone else have anythign to say?.....Lefty

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      • #4
        The only thing I have to say is that I hate it when you put "....Lefty" after every single post you make. Makes you seem like a ****.

        Pity I've already given out too much Karma in the last 24 hours, otherwise you'd be seeing red my friend.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GreatJoe View Post
          The only thing I have to say is that I hate it when you put "....Lefty" after every single post you make. Makes you seem like a ****.

          Pity I've already given out too much Karma in the last 24 hours, otherwise you'd be seeing red my friend.

          Haters are needed in life so go on and hate my friend. I stopped doing that and others asked me why. If you don't like it don't read my posts....Lefty

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          • #6
            hopkins and mosley is too high.

            wiliams shouldn't be on there.

            i'd take out ivan calderon too.

            marquez should be no lower than 3 and definitely higher than hopkins.

            too many americans on the list.

            the writer must not watch too many non-american fighters and/or lower weight class fighters.

            where's guys like darchinyan , donaire , hatton , cotto?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by luckylefty731 View Post
              Haters are needed in life so go on and hate my friend. I stopped doing that and others asked me why. If you don't like it don't read my posts....Lefty
              yeah you tell him....Precision

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              • #8
                Originally posted by luckylefty731 View Post
                Haters are needed in life so go on and hate my friend. I stopped doing that and others asked me why. If you don't like it don't read my posts....Lefty
                Are you a window licker?

                That's like the school **** when you'd write on someone's book

                "If you read this then you are gay".....GreatJoe

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Precision View Post
                  yeah you tell him....Precision
                  you're a ****.........left hook tua

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
                    you're a ****.........left hook tua
                    Yea you tell him....GreatJoe

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