how many people have actually seen alot of srr fights???

[them_apples]

That's not true. LaMotta's resume is as great as anyone's, the problem is that he lost a little too many to be ranked among the top 5 middleweights.

But he has great wins over Ray Robinson, Marcel Cerdan, Holman Williams and Fritzie Zivic (HOFers). Compare that to Hagler's wins over Hearns, Duran, Antuofermo (HOFers).

LaMotta also has underrated wins over top contenders such as Mitri, Dauthuille, Basora, Costner, Hairston, DeJohn, Satterfield, Bell, Villemain, Hayes, Murphy, Yarosz. All in all a very solid middleweight resume.

Hearns and Duran aren't just Hofer's, they are closer to the ATG status ( at least Duran) Marcel Cerdan and Holman Williams, how many people even know who they are, everyone knows who Duran and Hearns are.

Who looks at Lamotta and says "oh, he beat Marcel Cerdan". Not discrediting him, but his resume is stale in comparison to Haglers.

[TheGreatA]

That's not true. LaMotta's resume is as great as anyones, the problem is that he lost a little too many to be ranked among the top 5 middleweights.

But he has great wins over Ray Robinson, Marcel Cerdan, Holman Williams and Fritzie Zivic (HOFers). Compare that to Hagler's wins over Hearns, Duran, Antuofermo (HOFers).

LaMotta also has underrated wins over top contenders such as Mitri, Dauthuille, Basora, Costner, Hairston, DeJohn, Satterfield, Bell, Villemain, Hayes, Murphy, Yarosz. All in all a very solid middleweight resume.

Most regard LaMotta as overrated but I actually think he is terribly underrated. The movie painted him as a face first slugger with a big punch.

He was tough but there's a reason why LaMotta is as coherent as he is even today and it's because he could defend himself very well.

Hearns and Duran aren't just Hofer's, they are closer to the ATG status ( at least Duran) Marcel Cerdan and Holman Williams, how many people even know who they are, everyone knows who Duran and Hearns are.

Who looks at Lamotta and says "oh, he beat Marcel Cerdan". Not discrediting him, but his resume is stale in comparison to Haglers.

It's quite sad to me that most people don't know who Holman Williams and Marcel Cerdan were. I understand why but I believe both of them may have been ranked among the greatest in this sport, they were just never given the chance.

Trainer Eddie Futch said that he would rather watch Williams shadow-box that watch most other fighters in the ring. Most boxers of the day avoided him, except for LaMotta who beat him. Williams beat Charley Burley, Archie Moore, Cocoa Kid, Lloyd Marshall, Eddie Booker and Bob Satterfield.

Duran was an ATG but as a lightweight and as a welterweight. He shouldn't have troubled Hagler as much as he did at middleweight.

Hearns wasn't at his best as a middleweight either, but it was still a great win for Hagler.

As much as I like Hagler, his resume isn't the greatest, it's the dominance, longevity and the combination of skill, talent and toughness that he had which is why I rate him as one of the, if not the, best middleweights of all time.

[warp1432]

Personally I don't see how the hell Jake Lamotta beat Williams with Williams' resume. I guess it was because it was starting the end of Williams' career. Also I'm really disapointed how Burley never got to fight Lamotta especially on how Burley beat Zivic and Moore, but never got his shot.

Lamotta's defense was pretty bad imo. Maybe because Robinson was so accurate, but he got carved up and in some other fights I've seen of him as well. Hagler's defense was much better.

[crold1]

just wondering do people say he's the greatest cause thats what they were spoon fed..how many of his fights have you actually seen????

Including clips, probably between 20-30 I'd guess. The old P4P doc has some of his amateur footage and that's awesome. He's as good as they say he was. He could do literally everything.

[TheGreatA]

Personally I don't see how the hell Jake Lamotta beat Williams with Williams' resume. I guess it was because it was starting the end of Williams' career. Also I'm really disapointed how Burley never got to fight Lamotta especially on how Burley beat Zivic and Moore, but never got his shot.

Lamotta's defense was pretty bad imo. Maybe because Robinson was so accurate, but he got carved up and in some other fights I've seen of him as well. Hagler's defense was much better.

Not trying to give excuses but LaMotta had big trouble making the 160 lb limit by the time he fought Robinson for the 6th time. He was spent after 10 rounds.

The other fights were very close.


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Gil Glancy is usually fair and objective when it comes to boxing.

A highlight I made of some LaMotta fights (mostly at LHW):

Jake LaMotta
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[crold1]

Hearns and Duran aren't just Hofer's, they are closer to the ATG status ( at least Duran) Marcel Cerdan and Holman Williams, how many people even know who they are, everyone knows who Duran and Hearns are.

Who looks at Lamotta and says "oh, he beat Marcel Cerdan". Not discrediting him, but his resume is stale in comparison to Haglers.

Most people scratch their head and ass when you say what about Eder Jofre; he was still the greatest bantam that ever lived and arguably top ten all time P4P. Don't let mass lack of knowledge be a gauge.

[crold1]

Personally I don't see how the hell Jake Lamotta beat Williams with Williams' resume. I guess it was because it was starting the end of Williams' career. Also I'm really disapointed how Burley never got to fight Lamotta especially on how Burley beat Zivic and Moore, but never got his shot.

Lamotta's defense was pretty bad imo. Maybe because Robinson was so accurate, but he got carved up and in some other fights I've seen of him as well. Hagler's defense was much better.

Considering Williams couldn't really punch (allegedly; no one has really seen him fight unless they were there), it's easy to imagine LaMotta outworiking him inside. Most LaMotta footage is towards the end of his career; his contemporaries found him to be a tough out and not just because he could take a shot. He was a techncal pressure fighter with good d.

[BrooklynBomber]

Including clips, probably between 20-30 I'd guess. The old P4P doc has some of his amateur footage and that's awesome. He's as good as they say he was. He could do literally everything.

I seen some of his am footage as well, and man, it was like he was not even touching the ground.

[123tyson123]

to be honest i havent seen a great deal of SRR purely because i prefer modern colour fights lol. But ray robinson is the original who had a awesome career, you just have to look at the record books to recognise that. Dont get me wrong i seen highlights and have a dvd set on him. Noone will ever match him for that p4p rating.

[warp1432]

Anyone have the amateur footage of him?