ok, enough bull ****.. prime calzaghe would annihilate prime toney

[boxasmash]

Prime Toney would have beaten prime Calzaghe if he showed up focused and in shape.

explain how?

calzaghe has nearly all the advantages possible.

handspeed [x]
footwork [x]
power (prime) [x]
adaptability [x]
workrate [x]

i give toney the following, chin (not by much and wouldnt be a factor - neither would get koed), defence (no good if calzaghe is not on his chest though), accuracy (calzaghe has very,very good accuracy too).

calzaghe would win, he has too many advantages over toney and what toney has calzaghe has too just not quite as much.

[boxasmash]

how you gonna say he beats a prime hopkins when he barely squeaks by a 43 year old version? INSANITY

Now I agree that against Tony he has the best shot and probably would be a very competitive (and exciting) fight. And you're wrong about footwork and speed being Toney's kryptonite, his kryptonite is food plain & simple. ****ed up his career imo

oh you're going to go down that route now and claim hopkins was on a zimmer frame and needed a walking stick to get to the ring? we all saw how old hopkins looked in his last fight against a supposed p4p top 5 opponent. age means less and less by the decade, even calzaghe himself at 36 can be used as an example. in their fight last year i had calzaghe a clear winner although it was a close fight. i can see calzaghe a few years younger definitely beating hopkins a few years younger, after all... we just saw what happened in april. calzaghe would have had the weight advantage too (he was outweighed by a good 6-7 lbs in april) if he met hopkins at 168.

[Silencers]

explain how?

calzaghe has nearly all the advantages possible.

handspeed [x]
footwork [x]
power (prime) [x]
adaptability [x]
workrate [x]

i give toney the following, chin (not by much and wouldnt be a factor - neither would get koed), defence (no good if calzaghe is not on his chest though), accuracy (calzaghe has very,very good accuracy too).

calzaghe would win, he has too many advantages over toney and what toney has calzaghe has too just not quite as much.

Counterpunching is the key for Toney, throughout his career Calzaghe has been open to counter right hands which is Toney's best punch and Toney had a pretty high workrate himself, he'd throw 70 to 80 punches a round when he was in shape, he had no problem dealing with workrate either, it just gives him more opportunities to counterpunch, Toney is also a very smart and adaptable boxer, if Calzaghe manages to neutralize Toney's right hand somehow (which I don't think he would), Toney would adapt himself.

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explain how?

calzaghe has nearly all the advantages possible.

handspeed [x]
footwork [x]
power (prime) [x]
adaptability [x]
workrate [x]

i give toney the following, chin (not by much and wouldnt be a factor - neither would get koed), defence (no good if calzaghe is not on his chest though), accuracy (calzaghe has very,very good accuracy too).

calzaghe would win, he has too many advantages over toney and what toney has calzaghe has too just not quite as much.

It's more like the other way around... Calzaghe has a few advantages, and Toney is up close in every department in which Calzaghe has an advantage

handspeed [x] Calzaghe
footwork [x] hmmm do you know what footwork is?
power (prime) [x] AHHAHAHAHHAH OMG HHAHAHAHA
adaptability [x] Toney was competitive from 160 to HW...
workrate [x] Calzaghe with all those slapping takes it. Watch Toney-McCallum and tell me about workrate

The bottom line is Calzaghe is a sucker for straight right hand counters. Toney delivers them in his sleep.

Another interesting fact is that another p4p #2 lefty with handspeed and footwork, (but this one was p4p#2 in his prime) was Michael Nunn.

[Pullcounter]

no discussion about it, calzaghe would have toyed with toney in there. calzaghe has footwork and handspeed, toney's kryptonite.

oh yehh.

"He should lose the flab and fight me, that's if they can get him out of his training camp of McDonalds."

Calzaghe already won the war of words

no no no no no no.... no

james toney puts the beat down on calz.

[drrunk2211]

explain how?

calzaghe has nearly all the advantages possible.

handspeed [x]
footwork [x]
power (prime) [x]
adaptability [x]
workrate [x]

i give toney the following, chin (not by much and wouldnt be a factor - neither would get koed), defence (no good if calzaghe is not on his chest though), accuracy (calzaghe has very,very good accuracy too).

calzaghe would win, he has too many advantages over toney and what toney has calzaghe has too just not quite as much.

Now I'm a Calzaghe fan, but to dismiss Toney.... Freddie Roach has just finished saying that Toney is the best boxer he's ever seen, or worked with. Bear in mind he said that from Pacquiao's camp.

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Counterpunching is the key for Toney, throughout his career Calzaghe has been open to counter right hand which is Toney's best punch and Toney had a pretty high workrate himself, he'd throw 70 to 80 punches a round when he was in shape, he had no problem dealing with workrate either, it just gives him more opportunities to counterpunch, Toney is also a very smart and adaptable boxer, if Calzaghe manages to neutralize Toney's right hand somehow (which I don't think he would), Toney would adapt himself.

Lol Silencers... I was writing the same **** at the same time...

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Lol Silencers... I was writing the same **** at the same time...

I forgot to address the power issue, their power is about even with Toney probably having an edge, if Calzaghe starts hurting and knocking out cruiserweights, let me know.

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Now I'm a Calzaghe fan, but to dismiss Toney.... Freddie Roach has just finished saying that Toney is the best boxer he's ever seen, or worked with. Bear in mind he said that from Pacquiao's camp.

Did he say that in front of cameras? I asked him who was the best he trained when i went to see Pac train at wild card, and he said Toney in that occasion too. Another shocking thing is he also trained Hopkins.

[drrunk2211]

Counterpunching is the key for Toney, throughout his career Calzaghe has been open to counter right hands which is Toney's best punch and Toney had a pretty high workrate himself, he'd throw 70 to 80 punches a round when he was in shape, he had no problem dealing with workrate either, it just gives him more opportunities to counterpunch, Toney is also a very smart and adaptable boxer, if Calzaghe manages to neutralize Toney's right hand somehow (which I don't think he would), Toney would adapt himself.

Good fight though, cos workrate and adaptibiltiy to the other guy's style is Calzaghes MO as well...