Calzaghe / Dawson

[IMDAZED]

i think Pavliks wins over Taylor are better than any of Dawson's wins

and you're twisting or miscontruing my words. Pavlik was clearly being overrated, no? and i think a large part of that is due to the fact that American's saw him as the man who should fight Calzaghe next

thankfully Hopkins put an end to the Pavlik "fans" getting too big for their boots

Nah. I'd take Dawson's wins over Adamek, Johnson & Tarver over that. I think all three would blast Taylor into space. But I do respect Taylor for taking on so many challenges...I just can't erase the memory of Cory Spinks backing him up and (arguably) beating him.

I'm not miscontruing your words - I just fail to see a connection between Calzaghe and Pavlik at all. They never fought. Yes, Hopkins beat Pavlik. That doesn't mean Joe did. So the comparison is a bit silly - the A beats B argument has been proven false too many times. And this is coming from someone who thinks Pavlik would get TKO'd at the hands of Calzaghe - before and after Hops.

But whatever. Calzaghe fans would rather see him fight Froch (what a surprise!). Then they can claim Calzaghe would've "Lacy'd" Dawson when he couldn't even "Lacy" Sakio Bika.

[Dynamite Kid]

Nah. I'd take Dawson's wins over Adamek, Johnson & Tarver over that. I think all three would blast Taylor into space. But I do respect Taylor for taking on so many challenges...I just can't erase the memory of Cory Spinks backing him up and (arguably) beating him.

I'm not miscontruing your words - I just fail to see a connection between Calzaghe and Pavlik at all. They never fought. Yes, Hopkins beat Pavlik. That doesn't mean Joe did. So the comparison is a bit silly - the A beats B argument has been proven false too many times. And this is coming from someone who thinks Pavlik would get TKO'd at the hands of Calzaghe - before and after Hops.

But whatever. Calzaghe fans would rather see him fight Froch (what a surprise!). Then they can claim Calzaghe would've "Lacy'd" Dawson when he couldn't even "Lacy" Sakio Bika.

And little Kasim Ouma giving him hell too.

[Enemy/Friend]

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How come none of you lot **** on about Kelly Pavlik anymore? Oh yeah, because your next great big all American white hope hero got smashed into next week by that over the hill granddad, Hopkins

Mentioning Kelly Pavlik will only hurt your cause considering Calzaghe offered Kelly a fight before he even faced Taylor and gained a name for himself. Pavlik wanted Calzaghe but instead he went after the man he called in his Auto Biography a shot fighter, that wouldn't be worth his time. Hopkins had to take on a young lion while Joe beat up on Tarver and Johnson leftovers. Speaking of Johnson, How Many times did Calzaghe pull out of a fight with him?

Oh, sorry, Hopkins is only ever past it when referring to Joe fighting him.

But then I’m confused, because according to most of you on here, pre Oct 2008, Joe was scared of Pavilk because Pavilk would 'whoop Joes assss' (whoop, is that how you guys put it?)

Hopkins is past it anyone could of seen his stamina decreasing since his fight with Winky. Pavlik was there to be hit and the style suited Bernard which allowed him to expend less energy.

Where's your chat now?

Arrh..i’ve found it for you...

Your loyalty crops up again. You've dropped Pavilk like a stone - as you did with Lacy.

Now it’s BAD RAD CHAD who's going to 'destroy / murder' Joe Calzaghe.

Joe said Hopkins would easily beat Kelly.

He was spot on.

There’s no way CHADDDDDDDDDDDDDD big bad rad Chad would beat Joe. Why? He’s not got enough class.

Joe wont fight him, he doesn’t need to.

You guys only want to see Joe lose, that is one and only reason you wont give him credit.

You’re pathetic boxing fans, and an embarrassment to the sport.

I am still a fan of Pavlik after his loss and there are plenty of Kelly fans on this board. What do you expect them to say after the Hopkins debacle that Kelly would destroy Calzaghe? Just remember it was Hopkins who exposed Pavlik not Joe, the fans that left poor Pavlik did so because of Bernard. Calzaghe wanted Jones instead of a prime fighter that could of been added to his resume.....

[Dynamite Kid]

S.G im still waiting to hear who is this mythical prime great fighter Joe has apparently beaten.

[S.G.]

Nah. I'd take Dawson's wins over Adamek, Johnson & Tarver over that. I think all three would blast Taylor into space. But I do respect Taylor for taking on so many challenges...I just can't erase the memory of Cory Spinks backing him up and (arguably) beating him.

I'm not miscontruing your words - I just fail to see a connection between Calzaghe and Pavlik at all. They never fought. Yes, Hopkins beat Pavlik. That doesn't mean Joe did. So the comparison is a bit silly - the A beats B argument has been proven false too many times. And this is coming from someone who thinks Pavlik would get TKO'd at the hands of Calzaghe - before and after Hops.

I'm saying Pavlik's hype was largely down to the fact that he was being branded by American's as the man to beat Joe Calzaghe

that has nothing to do with hypothetical fights, it's reality

Hopkins' win over Pavlik is only connected in the sense that it proved that Pavlik WAS being overrated afterall

But whatever. Calzaghe fans would rather see him fight Froch (what a surprise!). Then they can claim Calzaghe would've "Lacy'd" Dawson when he couldn't even "Lacy" Sakio Bika.

Not true. I've already stated i'd like to see him fight Dawson (along with a couple other names) ahead of Froch

And so have a lot of other JC fans on here.... but of course anyone reasonable gets skipped over in these fanboy/hater wars

[Roger Mellie]

I doubt very seriously if Calzaghe - Dawson ever happens...I haven't seen either guy really push to make it happen and I think it would take a lot of interest from both parties in order for this fight to come to fruition...What does Joe C have to gain from fighting this young lion who is in his prime at this point in his career...He has already established himself as an elite p4p fighter and future hall of famer and is secure financially...Its not like anyone is gonna lower they're opinion of him if he doesn't fight Dawson...That fact of the matter is that there are more lucrative fights out there for Calzaghe if he chooses to continue to fight, with rematches with both Jones and Hopkins on the table...

Also, to compare Dawson to Lacy is laughable...Lacy has never really accomplished much as a professional fighter other than getting his ass kicked by Calzaghe...He did very little before fighting Calzaghe and he has done even less since...Chad Dawson is a legitimate world class fighter...Jeff Lacy isn't even a has been, he's a never was...

true fishbone,I wasnt comparing them as fighters,I was just tapping the scale of ridiculous and irrational hatred for joe that comes from the states.Dawson is a wicked fighter and easily the best opponent in an ideal world.but it aint an ideal world,and we will probably get force fed another probably worse battering of jones,or another painful snorefest like hopkins.neither fight i would care to see.If hes gonna fight I wish he would just get it out of the way.You dont play at boxing ,If hes going to be the champ,then fight the best lhws if not,just retire and sit on a beach.much as i like joe as a fighter,this seniors tour **** doesnt sit well with me as a boxing fan. the calzaghes,hopkins and jones' of this world should either stay active and win and defend titles or just retire.

[S.G.]

S.G im still waiting to hear who is this mythical prime great fighter Joe has apparently beaten.

You quoted me when I was replying to a comment about Hopkins, not Joe - and I'm sure you already know the answer to that one

Hopkins may not have been in his physical prime but he was still great when Calzaghe beat him though

[IMDAZED]

I'm saying Pavlik's hype was largely down to the fact that he was being branded by American's as the man to beat Joe Calzaghe.


that has nothing to do with hypothetical fights, it's reality

Hopkins' win over Pavlik is only connected in the sense that it proved that Pavlik WAS being overrated afterall


Not true. I've already stated i'd like to see him fight Dawson (along with a couple other names) ahead of Froch

And so have a lot of other JC fans on here.... but of course anyone reasonable gets skipped over in these fanboy/hater wars

Pavlik was hyped because he was an undefeated white fighter who burst onto the scene with an impressive come-from-behind KO of an HBO Poster Boy. Yes there was hype for him to beat Calzaghe but...there was hype for him to beat EVERYONE.

Whatever. As long as we know Calzaghe hasn't beaten him - and that Dawson or a Hopkins rematch is logical.

[Enemy/Friend]

Pavlik was hyped because he was an undefeated white fighter who burst onto the scene with an impressive come-from-behind KO of an HBO Poster Boy. Yes there was hype for him to beat Calzaghe but...there was hype for him to beat EVERYONE.

Whatever. As long as we know Calzaghe hasn't beaten him - and that Dawson or a Hopkins rematch is logical.

Why would a Calzaghe fan even mention Pavlik? Joe offered a fight to him when he was nameless and then Hopkins had to deal with him at age 43....

[Roger Mellie]

It aint often that i agree with imdazed,but i never really got the triangle theory thing.maybe people are being a little harsh on pavlik after one defeat 10 pounds over his comfort zone.he just looks like a poorly advised fighter.he got taken apart by hopkins,but many fighters with his level of experience would have faired a whole lot worse.As for froch,he has only just won a world title and now wants to chase money? he should get some credit as a world champ first,you know make a few defences maybe? call me old fashioned ,but I thought thats what fighters are supposed to do when they whin their first title