Pacquaio Is the TOP DOG in the sport... HE DESERVES 60-40. PBFvs.Hatton PBF got 70-30

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    #51
    Originally posted by Horus
    Great Arguments For Pacquaio.!!!

    This match-up is the best thing to do right now for both fighters from a financial and career standpoint.
    Pacquaio Made the Smartest Business Moved He could.

    Pacquiao has earned the distinction of being the top dog in boxing at the moment and he deserves to be treated as such. Whether he actually gets the 60% he is asking for though is beyond me, but you really can’t blame a guy for playing the game smart- a game that also played him when he was nobody and was trying to come up. So IMO he deserves to ask for more. He earned it! It’s part of the game and now that he’s the top dog, he’s just playing the game smart.

    Arum keeps telling us that Ricky got all the U.K. ppv sales but conveniently omits that Mayweather did the same for U.S. ppv sales.

    Do you really think that Mayweather will allow Hatton to have a share in U.S. ppv if he doesn't get any in U.K.???

    This is the same Mayweather who sat out 7 months because he thought a HBO contract seven-fight contract, worth $12 million was "slave wages compared to what Naseem Hamed was making.”


    FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR vs. RICKY HATTON was a 70-30 Split For Mayweather.
    DATE: 12/8/07
    LOCATION:MGM
    PROMOTIONS: Golden Boy, and Mayweather Pomotions
    PAID ATTENDANCE: 15,488
    GROSS SALES:$ 10,393,950.00
    • Mayweather was guaranteed $11 million
    • Hatton was guaranteed $6 million


    2. Hatton receives all the 1.25 million sale in U.K. pay per view at 20 euros a pop or $30 U.S.
    So that's about $37.5 million U.S. dollars.

    3. Mayweather receives all the U.S. pay per view revenue. According to Mark Taffet, U.S. ppv generated $47 million. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... id=3158134

    Let's calculate, I don't know what the cable company split, promoter split, etc....on ppv sales.... so let's just add the total ppv revenues with the guaranteed money for both fighters.

    Mayweather: 11 million + 47 million = $58 million

    Hatton: 6 million + 37.5 million = $43.5 million




    Schaeffer's argument. if Hatton was so big in England....how come his ppv buys against Malignagi was just 200,000. Again at $30 a pop.
    he said that Hatton can pull in the U.K. ppv share....which is true if he's fighting a known opponent......Hatton went down from 1.25 million in U.K. pay per view sales against Mayweather to 200,000 against Malignagi. Manny generated 250,000 against Diaz. So clearly, Hatton needs a big name more than Manny

    Manny Pacquiao PPV History

    1. De La Hoya - 1.25 million buys
    2. Morales 1 - 350,000 buys
    3. Morales 2 - 360,000 buys
    4. Morales 3 - 350,000 buys
    5. Barrera 2 - 350,000 buys
    6. Marquez 2 - 400,000 buys
    7. Diaz - 200,000 buys

    Ricky Hatton P.P.V History
    1. Floyd Mayweather- 850,000 p.p.v (U.S) 1.25 Million P.P.V (U.K)
    2. Paulie Malignagi - 200,000 p.p.v (u.k)


    Hatton vs Malignagi: 200,000 in U.K. for $30
    Pacquiao vs Diaz: 250,000 in U.S. for $50




    One reason why Manny wants 60/40 is because they're afraid Ricky can't carry the load. All Ricky will be doing is riding on Manny's back,
    The last thing The American Pay Per View Audience Remember about Ricky Hatton is him getting Knock into a ring post by Mayweather.
    So Ricky Hatton lucky to get 50% of the purse for doing nothing.

    Manny built his empire in the US. He built it by beating Mexican and Mexican America boxers in Las Vegas,

    Ricky built his empire in the UK. He basically stayed home and beat other boxers in his own turf.
    • How many ppv does Ricky have? 1 with Floyd?
    • How many ppv does Manny have? 8
    • How many fights did Ricky have in Las Vegas? 4
    • How many fights did Mnny have in Las Vegas? 8
    • How many fights did Ricky have in the US? 8
    • How many fights did Manny have in the US? 16
    • So who owns Las Vegas? Manny
    • So who owns the US ppv? Manny
    • So who is carrying the load in this fight? Manny


    And Manny only gets 50%, but he is the p4p champion?



    I am sorry but that is bull****.
    Manny Pacquaio has ever right to take the lionshare of this fight.

    HE IS THE TOP DOG OF THE SPORT.!!
    1. Link to Mayweather getting all the American PPV
    2. Link to Hatton v Malignaggi doing 200k in UK (Sky Sports rarely release PPV numbers and i couldn't find any)

    provide these two links or this is BS, thank you

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      #52
      This fight will be another huge seller in the U.K, mostly on the back of Hattons massive popularity, Hatton will also be putting up the Belts, Pac-Man is p4p number 1, i'd say in purely financial terms this should obviously be 50-50, anything below 55-45 and Hatton should not step in the ring, its a slap in the face, let Pac try to make as much money off someone else, Hatton can still make good money and respect fighting the winner of Marquez Vs Diaz at Wembley stadium.

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        #53
        Originally posted by jreckoning
        The question now is, does Pac bring the mainstream american ppv fans?
        That hasn't been proven yet.
        We know what Hatton brings, and financially it's a lot.
        Manny Pacquiao PPV History

        1. De La Hoya - 1.25 million buys
        2. Morales 1 - 350,000 buys
        3. Morales 2 - 360,000 buys
        4. Morales 3 - 350,000 buys
        5. Barrera 2 - 350,000 buys
        6. Marquez 2 - 400,000 buys
        7. Diaz - 200,000 buys

        Ricky Hatton P.P.V History
        1. Floyd Mayweather- 850,000 p.p.v (U.S) 1.25 Million P.P.V (U.K)
        2. Paulie Malignagi - 200,000 p.p.v (u.k)

        Nobody But Floyd Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya has Sold More P.P.V's Than Manny Pacquaio.


        Manny built his empire in the US. He built it by beating Mexican and Mexican America boxers in Las Vegas,

        Ricky built his empire in the UK. He basically stayed home and beat other boxers in his own turf.
        • How many ppv does Ricky have? 1 with Floyd?
        • How many ppv does Manny have? 8
        • How many fights did Ricky have in Las Vegas? 4
        • How many fights did Mnny have in Las Vegas? 8
        • How many fights did Ricky have in the US? 8
        • How many fights did Manny have in the US? 16
        • So who owns Las Vegas? Manny
        • So who owns the US ppv? Manny
        • So who is carrying the load in this fight? Manny


        Manny Pacquaio is more establish to the American Fans than Ricky Hatton..

        I presented this argument in the topic thread argument.

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          #54
          Originally posted by Horus
          Manny Pacquiao PPV History

          1. De La Hoya - 1.25 million buys
          2. Morales 1 - 350,000 buys
          3. Morales 2 - 360,000 buys
          4. Morales 3 - 350,000 buys
          5. Barrera 2 - 350,000 buys
          6. Marquez 2 - 400,000 buys
          7. Diaz - 200,000 buys

          Ricky Hatton P.P.V History
          1. Floyd Mayweather- 850,000 p.p.v (U.S) 1.25 Million P.P.V (U.K)
          2. Paulie Malignagi - 200,000 p.p.v (u.k)

          Nobody But Floyd Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya has Sold More P.P.V's Than Manny Pacquaio.


          Manny built his empire in the US. He built it by beating Mexican and Mexican America boxers in Las Vegas,

          Ricky built his empire in the UK. He basically stayed home and beat other boxers in his own turf.
          • How many ppv does Ricky have? 1 with Floyd?
          • How many ppv does Manny have? 8
          • How many fights did Ricky have in Las Vegas? 4
          • How many fights did Mnny have in Las Vegas? 8
          • How many fights did Ricky have in the US? 8
          • How many fights did Manny have in the US? 16
          • So who owns Las Vegas? Manny
          • So who owns the US ppv? Manny
          • So who is carrying the load in this fight? Manny


          Manny Pacquaio is more establish to the American Fans than Ricky Hatton..

          I presented this argument in the topic thread argument.
          Post the link to where you got the info about Hatton and Malignaggi doing 200k or you're making that **** up
          Last edited by $partacus; 01-21-2009, 10:47 PM.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Horus
            Manny Pacquiao PPV History

            1. De La Hoya - 1.25 million buys
            2. Morales 1 - 350,000 buys
            3. Morales 2 - 360,000 buys
            4. Morales 3 - 350,000 buys
            5. Barrera 2 - 350,000 buys
            6. Marquez 2 - 400,000 buys
            7. Diaz - 200,000 buys

            Ricky Hatton P.P.V History
            1. Floyd Mayweather- 850,000 p.p.v (U.S) 1.25 Million P.P.V (U.K)
            2. Paulie Malignagi - 200,000 p.p.v (u.k)

            Nobody But Floyd Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya has Sold More P.P.V's Than Manny Pacquaio.


            Manny built his empire in the US. He built it by beating Mexican and Mexican America boxers in Las Vegas,

            Ricky built his empire in the UK. He basically stayed home and beat other boxers in his own turf.
            • How many ppv does Ricky have? 1 with Floyd?
            • How many ppv does Manny have? 8
            • How many fights did Ricky have in Las Vegas? 4
            • How many fights did Mnny have in Las Vegas? 8
            • How many fights did Ricky have in the US? 8
            • How many fights did Manny have in the US? 16
            • So who owns Las Vegas? Manny
            • So who owns the US ppv? Manny
            • So who is carrying the load in this fight? Manny


            Manny Pacquaio is more establish to the American Fans than Ricky Hatton..

            I presented this argument in the topic thread argument.
            Ricky Hatton has made more money. Period.
            Why do you think Ricky had most of his fights in the UK?
            Because he was killing it. He didn't need ppv.
            Look what he made for Kostya. Look what he made for Lazcano.

            And in a mega fight, he will make the numbers, the numbers.

            Why did 11k people from the uk show up to his ppv, and was one of the richest ppv's in history? It dwarves anything Pac has done.
            You can't compare 7 ppv's to 1 when the guy with 1 makes more on damn near every fight be it ppv or not.

            More established in America doesn't matter. Money is green, and Hatton will bring in more international money than US money.
            If they agreed on Hatton getting the international split, and Pac getting more of us split, trust me this deal woulda been done.

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              #56
              Why does who is more popular in America matter???

              Hatton V PBF did 1.25 in the UK ALONE

              More people will buy Pac V Hatton there as it's more competitive a fight.

              throw in say 500,000 buys in the U.S which is a real possibility and you will be looking at say 2 million buys, put the thing on in wembely and sell tickets at 40 quid a pop and you are looking at 3.6 million pounds in tickets alone,

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                #57
                Originally posted by Infern0
                Why does who is more popular in America matter???

                Hatton V PBF did 1.25 in the UK ALONE

                More people will buy Pac V Hatton there as it's more competitive a fight.

                throw in say 500,000 buys in the U.S which is a real possibility and you will be looking at say 2 million buys, put the thing on in wembely and sell tickets at 40 quid a pop and you are looking at 3.6 million pounds in tickets alone,
                Yeah US ppv is only a small part of this equation. Money spends the same no matter where it comes from.

                You don't look at ppv as the be all end all, you look at how much revenue came in from both fighters period.
                That's what, in the end matters, and historically Hatton brings in more.

                It's not like people from the uk aren't going to show up in vegas, or not buy the ppv.

                That's the point I am trying to make. Look at the total historical revenue of both fighters.
                Hatton wins it, but Manny is getting better.

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                  #58
                  Precisely, i don't understand why 50/50 isn't good enough for either guy, what happened to thier "mutual respect"

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                    #59
                    You got your info from Pacland, you just copied bits out of Pac nuthuggers posts and pasted them together.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Al Coholic
                      You got your info from Pacland, you just copied bits out of Pac nuthuggers posts and pasted them together.

                      http://forum.philboxing.com/viewtopi...st=0&sk=t&sd=a
                      ppv numbers aside. it would nice to see what the fighters made historically regardless of this, and then that is the true comparison.

                      for every fight, ppv or not.

                      if you think pac-dlh was big well hatton-mayweather was bigger, and hatton-dlh woulda been sick.

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