Margarito, Mosley, and The Welterweight Crown

[FLY TY]

I'm guessing you voted yes then. I would have voted no because Cotto clearly beat Mosley imo. It was close, but Mosley looked like garbage last time out too, so I'd vote no.

Also, if you think about it, it doesn't really matter because the winner rematches Cotto to decide that linealge anyway.

it has already been stated, MARGARITO REMATCHES COTTO, WHETHER MOSLEY WINS OR LOSES......

Not ranking Williams at #2 at Welterweight is plain wrong. Pacquiao is still ranked at lightweight by The Ring despite campaigning at higher weights. Williams says he's campaigning at three weights simultaneously, and will fight at Welter as soon as he can get a meaningful fight at Welter. He shouldn't be punished in the rankings because everyone is avoiding him, and Margarito certainly shoud NOT be rewarded for ducking Williams. That stinks.

The argument that Williams lost his Ring ranking because he gave up his WBO title is ridiculous. Since when did The Ring care about alphabet belts, especially the WBO one, which has a history of ranking journeymen as mandatory contenders. Why should Williams have to fight journeymen just in order to maintain his Ring rating?

The Ring continued to rank Calzaghe as the Super Middleweight champion after he moved up to light-heavyweight, and only removed that ranking when Calzaghe confirmed to The Ring that he would no longer campaign at Super Midlleweight - for several months Calzaghe held both Ring titles simultaneously. Williams has not stopped campaigning at Welter, he'll fight at Welter as soon as a serious opponent agrees to fight him.

The Ring's removal of Williams from its Welterweight rankings is just disgraceful. I have lost a huge amount of respect for The Ring's integrity as a result of this.

COSIGN.

I'd have no beef wit this fight bein for the Ring title. The Ring is thinkin triangle style usin Cotto's win over SSM as a reason to deny the belt bein contested, but it goes both ways. If SSM wins, he beat the guy who beat Cotto, so why wouldn't he be the champ if Cotto's #2 status is so damn important? If Marg wins, he'll have beaten both, so why wouldn't he be the champ?

sounds logical to me mang

And how do you figure this? Margarito already kick the **** out of Cotto, this fight should be for the Lineal champion, the ring title should be on the line. It seems to me all Cotto-Rican nutthugers are the only ones against this fight being for the Ring title

the RING is using the fact that paul williams beat margarito. as stated, williams didn't leave the division b/c he wanted to, he left b/c no one would fight him. if you think like me, and RING obviously, you'd be hard pressed to reward margarito when he lost to a guy, and doesn't want anything else to do with him. that's why this fight is NOT for the RING title.

you know what? **** everybody, including dan rafael, and anyone else who disagrees. what ring is doing is a GOOD thing. in the end, if you wanna be called the best, you're gonna have to step up and prove it. sooner or later, the so-called "champs" in the WW division are gonna have to see PW, win-lose-or draw.

[Pullcounter]

That's my point here...if that's the fight it comes down to, Marg IS the champ already.

I think you're too fast to jump the gun on giving margarito the ring championship. I agree w/ Fischer when he says margarito must settle affairs with williams. You yourself said that muddled things and imho only margarito and williams can set it straight by rematching each other.

[Pullcounter]

it has already been stated, MARGARITO REMATCHES COTTO, WHETHER MOSLEY WINS OR LOSES......



COSIGN.









the RING is using the fact that paul williams beat margarito. as stated, williams didn't leave the division b/c he wanted to, he left b/c no one would fight him. if you think like me, and RING obviously, you'd be hard pressed to reward margarito when he lost to a guy, and doesn't want anything else to do with him. that's why this fight is NOT for the RING title.

you know what? **** everybody, including dan rafael, and anyone else who disagrees. what ring is doing is a GOOD thing. in the end, if you wanna be called the best, you're gonna have to step up and prove it. sooner or later, the so-called "champs" in the WW division are gonna have to see PW, win-lose-or draw.

yep the ring is doing the right thing and forcing margarito to make the rematch with paul williams. if margarito gets the ring championship without facing williams again thats giving margarito a blank check to never fight williams again.

all hardcore boxing fans want to see williams/margarito II.

[americanme]

I think you're too fast to jump the gun on giving margarito the ring championship. I agree w/ Fischer when he says margarito must settle affairs with williams. You yourself said that muddled things and imho only margarito and williams can set it straight by rematching each other.

Why is that cause PW has a win over MArgarito? PW is no longer a WW and no longer has a WW title. After going 1-1 w/ Quintana he has chosen to move to the higher weight classes.

If PW was STILL campaining at WW then that would make sense. But he is not and he no longer has a title there either.

[Dave Rado]

I'm a huge Antonio Margarito fan. And frankly, I don't give two sh*its about this WELTERWEIGHT champion titie. All I care about is the Tijuana Tornado destroying everything in his path. All I care about is Margarito fighting like a true Mexican fighter and representing the Red, White and Green. Bring on Mosley, Cotto, Williams in 2009. Nobody can talk about Margarito because if he does beat Mosley next Saturday he will have alot of top welterweights in the world under his belt. Personally, I would like Margarito to clean up the division by storming through Mosley, Williams and Berto in the future because those are the only victims left on Margarito's list to terrorize. Only time will tell. But one thing is for sure Margarito is still hungry and that makes him very dangerous. People need to shut the **** up and recognize. And give my boy Margarito the credit deserved. Its easier said then done wanksters.

That would be fair if it weren't for the fact that Margarito has made it clear that he doesn't want to give Williams a rematch.

[americanme]

That would be fair if it weren't for the fact that Margarito has made it clear that he doesn't want to give Williams a rematch.

I think it was PW and Goosen who made it clear that THEY didnt want to give MARGO the initial rematch..

[Dave Rado]

Why is that cause PW has a win over MArgarito? PW is no longer a WW and no longer has a WW title. After going 1-1 w/ Quintana he has chosen to move to the higher weight classes.

If PW was STILL campaining at WW then that would make sense. But he is not and he no longer has a title there either.

He is still campaigning at Welterweight, he took the higher weight fights because none of the leading Welterweights was willing to fight him. He has made it clear that the moment he can get a meaningful fight at Welterweight, he'll take it. It's possible to campaign at more than one weight class simultaneously, provided you keep busy. Pacquiao is still rated at Lightweight, even though he's also campaigning at higher weights. Calzaghe was simultaneously rated as The Ring champion at Super-Middleweight and Light-Heavyweight for nearly a year.

[Dave Rado]

I think it was PW and Goosen who made it clear that THEY didnt want to give MARGO the initial rematch..

Williams wanted to have one fight against someone else first, then the rematch, he wasn't saying no to a rematch per se. But since Williams bear Quintana, Margarito has made it clear that he doesn't want to give him a rematch in the foreseeable future.

[FLY TY]

I think it was PW and Goosen who made it clear that THEY didnt want to give MARGO the initial rematch..

i hear that all the time from margarito fans on here, but no one has yet to give any sort of factual evidence to back that claim up. as of right now, that's a claim from the margarito camp, and the margarito camp only.

bottom line is, if you're any kind of champ, you would WANT to avenge a loss, as long as the guy who beat you is still at the top of his game, and the fight is worthwhile.

a fight w/ pw still is, which makes no excuse margarito can give, a good enough reason not to make the fight. period.

[americanme]

He is still campaigning at Welterweight, he took the higher weight fights because none of the leading Welterweights was willing to fight him. He has made it clear that the moment he can get a meaningful fight at Welterweight, he'll take it. It's possible to campaign at more than one weight class simultaneously, provided you keep busy. Pacquiao is still rated at Lightweight, even though he's also campaigning at higher weights. Calzaghe was simultaneously rated as The Ring champion at Sup-Middleweight and Light-Heavyweight for nearly a year.

um, no he isnt campaining at WW..he gave up his WW title and chose not to defend it. what sense does it make to fight at a higher weight against Andy Kolle? what's the difference between Kolle and your WW WBO #1 mandatory.

Pac JUST fought at LW.. PW last two fights were above 147 and his next is at what ??