Bernard Hopkins is Overrated....

[nathan_nall]

You see, i used your criteria to judge the above fighters... I can make the same list as you've just done about the fighters you consider legends. But i've realised that this thread is such a joke, and you are one of the most dumbest guys on the forum.

You justify these guys being legends, but dont justify Hopkins? Because Hopkins lost to Calzaghe and Roy... LMFAO

Now i can sit here for hours writing up a list of greats that Hopkins has fought, but i'd rather save my energy.

You are incredibly ****** and have just become even ******er for the above justifications to why your favourite fighters are legends and Hopkins is not.

Apparently so

[circleinsidebox]

And your argument is flawed. I understand it completely, but it's foolish.

You're arguing that he can't overcome the people who are fast with great reflexes. So despite having close losses to these fighters, some of which people claim he won, he can't overcome it? Do you see what I'm typing here?

If they're his weakness, how does he still do fairly well against them. If those are his only losses, and he still almost wins, and that's his only weakness.... how is he not a legend? Every fighter has weaknesses and the overwhelming majority of fighters, with or without weaknesses end up w/ an L on their resume. It doesn't make some of them not legends.

You made an absurd and outlandish statement and you think you're right. You're simply wrong. Give it up.

you seem angry
this is generally the initial response
to accepting truths that you were unaware of
breath carefully, everything will come into focus
and you will soon be enligtened

[Dirt E Gomez]

you seem angry
this is generally the initial response
to accepting truths that you were unaware of
breath carefully, everything will come into focus
and you will soon be enligtened

I'll offer you some enlightenment: You're going to die alone.

[circleinsidebox]

I'll offer you some enlightenment: You're going to die alone.

true
but thats entirely by choice

[Proposition Joe]

I agree, to say he is over-rated is being harsh. I think most people who say this are only thinking of his most recent fights against Calzaghe and Taylor. Both of whom are fantastic athletes so a loss (especially at this age) is nothing to scoff at. Yes he did beat Pavlik but do we really think he is on Joe or Jermain's level of skill? Probably not, skilled and upcoming yes. I can see how people would call B-Hop over-rated since his style is so methodically and a lot of times boring. but when you have a smart fighter who plays the counter and mind games like B then you are going to get those long drawn out sometimes ugly fights that you are going to wish you didn't see, but later appreciate the skill someone like Bernard has because he finds a way to win.

[Roger Mellie]

Great post... Hopkins is a master at what he does. However, being a master of your craft doesn't make you God's gift to the sport. Watching Hopkins fight is like watching Piccaso paint, Michelangelo sculpt, or Beethoven compose... You realize you are watching greatness in the making, but the process is JUST BORING!!!!!!!

exactly my point.You know,reading some of the other posts on here(particularly ishy aytan),you see that great fighters have fanatical supporters who push there cause so hard that any questioning of any facet that there fighter has/has not will result in an ill thought out,usually foul mouthed or personally insulting and down right rediculous response.I find that quite sad,but that seems to be the way on here.green k for your sensible answer.peace

[circleinsidebox]

I agree, to say he is over-rated is being harsh. I think most people who say this are only thinking of his most recent fights against Calzaghe and Taylor. Both of whom are fantastic athletes so a loss (especially at this age) is nothing to scoff at. Yes he did beat Pavlik but do we really think he is on Joe or Jermain's level of skill? Probably not, skilled and upcoming yes. I can see how people would call B-Hop over-rated since his style is so methodically and a lot of times boring. but when you have a smart fighter who plays the counter and mind games like B then you are going to get those long drawn out sometimes ugly fights that you are going to wish you didn't see, but later appreciate the skill someone like Bernard has because he finds a way to win.

he couldnt find a way to win against fast reflex fighters
and 1993 isn't recent

[nathan_nall]

I agree, to say he is over-rated is being harsh. I think most people who say this are only thinking of his most recent fights against Calzaghe and Taylor. Both of whom are fantastic athletes so a loss (especially at this age) is nothing to scoff at. Yes he did beat Pavlik but do we really think he is on Joe or Jermain's level of skill? Probably not, skilled and upcoming yes. I can see how people would call B-Hop over-rated since his style is so methodically and a lot of times boring. but when you have a smart fighter who plays the counter and mind games like B then you are going to get those long drawn out sometimes ugly fights that you are going to wish you didn't see, but later appreciate the skill someone like Bernard has because he finds a way to win.

Perfect post... Rather than arguing back and forth, we should all just read this guy's post and call it a day.

[Roger Mellie]

he couldnt find a way to win against fast reflex fighters
and 1993 isn't recent

Isnt it amazing the venom and bile that gets spat at you when you call into question someones idol? not really,not here.I thought there was nothing wrong with this thread.dont entirely agree,but nothing wrong with it.fcuktards mate,ignore them.you cant polish a turd

[circleinsidebox]

Isnt it amazing the venom and bile that gets spat at you when you call into question someones idol? not really,not here.I thought there was nothing wrong with this thread.dont entirely agree,but nothing wrong with it.fcuktards mate,ignore them.you cant polish a turd

lol i kno, many of them have left
and won't return
only because i began to hurt their
brains when they actually
started to think outside the box