Vitali Klitschko-Juan Carlos Gomez Announce Done Deal

[The Hammer]

I do not know much at all about Gomez, does he have a realistic shot at defeating Vitali?

He's the only one that has a slim chance of winning a decision over Vitali.

Except of course for Wlad.

[kayjay]

there is no unification when there is only one champ in a division. your weight on the trinket belts is far too great.

How do you perceive the difference between an "actual" champ and a "paper" one. They're all paper titles, including especially the damn magazine title that no0bs think is the "real" one, and you have to use common sense to assess a fighter's quality and accomplishments.

[paul750]

there is no unification when there is only one champ in a division. your weight on the trinket belts is far too great. Gomez fought in a weak time when the only memorable bout of his era was Jirov/Toney. Im not discrediting Gomez as a fighter, he could have made a much greater impact had he stayed off of *******, however, he is less important to the credibility, exposure, and entertainment value of the heavyweight division than Haye is. Haye was actually a champion, which holds more credence than many people understand. Whether or not you liked Mormeck (I do) or Maccarinelli (I don't) or McCall (old, I don't) or Virchis (powerful, I do) doesn't negate the fact that only boxing insiders know Gomez and millions know Haye (including the 20 men he supposedly slept with). Like I said this isn't a discussion about who would win between Haye and Gomez, its about who means more to the heavyweights right now, and Haye win or lose means more by his previous accomplishments (something Gomez nor either Klitschko brother has done) and by his worldwide exposure. I put the argument out about Haye actually being a champion to prove that if you are a true champion at a lower weightclass your importance supercedes any contender at an above weightclass if they aren't the universal number one or aren't a former great or champion themselves. Gomez fits none of those categories and while haye is not great and never will be, he has earned his right because of the aforementioned world title.

I don't think the fact Haye is a ''real'' champion holds any weight at all with the average fan. I think the fact someone watches a fighter and makes an objective opinion on that fighter's ability holds more weight than what that fighter has won. You're championing for Haye's corner because you think he holds more value in a promotion sense, without the realisation that he may be no more than a hype bubble, and as such, become no more than boxing's version of fast food. Gomez has beaten some decent fighters at heavyweight; David Haye has beaten one decent fighter at heavyweight. Seeing as the heavyweight division is the one that matters, I think Gomez's resume is the better one.

It is my opinion, that David Haye cannot beat a decent boxer he cannot knock out. Given that opinion, I think it's very foolish to think he can beat Vitali Klitschko. I do not disagree that he can spark some interest in the division, but if he went on to fight Vitali Klitschko and lose badly, the audience that you're alluding to would throw him away like yesterday's newspaper. I do not know what your agenda is, but the smokescreen your're putting up is a bad one. David Haye can spark more of an interest with a guy who has a weaker chin - Wladimir.

[HeartAttack]

I don't think the fact Haye is a ''real'' champion holds any weight at all with the average fan. I think the fact someone watches a fighter and makes an objective opinion on that fighter's ability holds more weight than what that fighter has won. You're championing for Haye's corner because you think he holds more value in a promotion sense, without the realisation that he may be no more than a hype bubble, and as such, become no more than boxing's version of fast food. Gomez has beaten some decent fighters at heavyweight; David Haye has beaten one decent fighter at heavyweight. Seeing as the heavyweight division is the one that matters, I think Gomez's resume is the better one.

It is my opinion, that David Haye cannot beat a decent boxer he cannot knock out. Given that opinion, I think it's very foolish to think he can beat Vitali Klitschko. I do not disagree that he can spark some interest in the division, but if he went on to fight Vitali Klitschko and lose badly, the audience that you're alluding to would throw him away like yesterday's newspaper. I do not know what your agenda is, but the smokescreen your're putting up is a bad one. David Haye can spark more of an interest with a guy who has a weaker chin - Wladimir.

wow, your not even close. Im mean goddamn. Vitali held the Ring title a couple years ago but he wasn't the lineal champion, their is a difference, but before the NBA (National Boxing Association which later turned in the WBA and was the firsy sanctioning body that extracted fees from fighters in 1962) well after The Ring was awarding belts to lineal champions. Im not campaigning for David haye's greatness or his chances of winning. I have never said he will or even could beat Vitali and a hype bubble he could be, he isn't. A world title won and defended gives legitimacy to a fighter. Is Hay hyped up a bit, sure, but he isn't total hype. Gomez has beaten solid guys at heavyweight, but his resume hasn't made him the top contender in the world (Wladimir is that) nor has it made him the second top contender in the world (Vitali is that), and based on Haye's MUCH BETTER CREDENTIALS whether or not you think highly of his competition (Mormeck is better than anyone Gomez has beaten) Haye is the better choice for validity for Vitali right now than Juan Carlos is. Granted I give Gomez a better chance of beating Vitali than Haye does, you'd be amazed to find out how many people still follow who the true champions are and that there is absolutely no comparison between the popularity worldwide of David Haye and Juan Carlos Gomez. There is no smokescreen to my "agenda" I was clarity and intrigue in the heavyweight division, and even though I admit I kind've like the Gomez/Vitali fight, I know of absolutely no lame person or hardly any other boxing fans who want to see it. Haye/Vitali gives only a little more clarity, but it gives us a hell of a lot more intrigue from outside the base fans, which is what the heavyweights need.