Dawson-Tarver: The Exception To a 1st Quarter That Rules

[SickmyDuck]

most ******ed post of the year, for sure.

Explain to me how.
DWiens posted it was all Tarver`s fault and i pointed out that it was not.

[Guest]

I just hope Dawson KO's Tarver early.

Tarver has a chin though and historically, he's done good in rematches (Glen Johnson, Roy Jones, Eric Harding ) so you never know.

Dawson has youth and speed but Tarver can be crafty and make it closer next time if father time hasn't completely betrayed him.

[Sutekh uvdabrix]

Tarver has a chin though and historically, he's done good in rematches (Glen Johnson, Roy Jones, Eric Harding ) so you never know.

Dawson has youth and speed but Tarver can be crafty and make it closer next time if father time hasn't completely betrayed him.

tarver is a young 40...he looks young...and doesnt have a lot of wear and tear...plus has the attitude of a winner..Im sure hes studied the tape..and will know what he needs to do to be competative

[slicksouthpaw16]

Tarver has a chin though and historically, he's done good in rematches (Glen Johnson, Roy Jones, Eric Harding ) so you never know.

Dawson has youth and speed but Tarver can be crafty and make it closer next time if father time hasn't completely betrayed him.

I agree, i feel Tarver will do slightly better this time. The main thing i noticed in those Tarver rematches though, was that the only thing Tarver did better was throw more punches and try to steel the rounds at the end by flurrying, and with his age and Dawson dominating the first half of the rounds with his boxing and better work rate( which he did in their first fight) i can't see how he could get a win, especially since his power didn't bother Dawson either. With that being said, i don't think Dawson will stop Tarver unless Tarver wastes all of energy early trying to blow Dawson out early and just becomes and tired sitting duck late with no energy.

[Boxingwizard]

Difficult to disagree with. Can't excuse Tarver because it's a slightly wimpy move to stick such a harsh re match clause in their, and worse still to enforce it when he was so thoroughly beat to the point no one gives him a chance at winning a 2nd time, only more embarassment. Antonio just can't swallow his pride for the good of the better man, and, better men. Chad was also somewhat silly to agree to such a harsh re match clause. He's been avoiding fights like Diaconu to face Johnson and a lot feel he lost, he raced onto Tarver instead of that re match. So it is also of his own making and somewhat deserved aswell.

This leaves a Calzaghe bout effectively out of the question for Chad. That's how things have resulted. Chad beats Tarver again, if he's lucky get's Hopkins but then maybe not because Nard should still beat him if he hasn't aged to much even then. So he's gona lose out at some point quite possibly. Odd career path Chad's on aswell in 09. He beats Tarver easy again though.

It's not pride, it's money, since the fight will be televised on HBO, Tarver will get a nice million dollar paycheck. As for Hopkins, Dawson will beat him easily, don't let the Pavlik fight fool you, Dawson isn't two-dimensional like Pavlik, Dawson is way more skilled. And don't forget IBF mandatory Tavoris Cloud, he could exercise his right to fight Dawson. As for Dawson losing, I don't see anyone in 168 or 175 beating Dawson, not even big punchers like Adrian Diaconu or Tavoris Cloud.

[Fox McCloud]

I'm not sure how much blame you can place on Dawson for this fight to be honest. As DWiens has said, rematch clauses are common, it is just that these meaningless rematches don't normally happen as the beaten fighter accepts it would go pretty much the same way and takes another path. It just so happens that Tarver simply doesn't have another path right now.

You say Dawson has been avoiding fights like Diaconu. Not quite sure what that means. Diaconu is not a very dangerous opponent and Dawson has shown a willingness right throughout his short career to take on the biggest available challenges. Do you really think Johnson, Tarver and Adamek represent lesser challenges than Diaconu?

I agree with most of it other than that Diaconu is not a dangerous opponent. ****, he beat another unbeaten good fighter in Chris Henry, he is aggressive, and has power. Not an easy win.

However, I think he gets a pass because people like Johnson, Tarver, Hopkins, Calzaghe, all the guys he is calling out are getting older, and every day that goes by gets them farther from their prime. Diaconu is not in danger of losing his prime anytime soon, so that bout can wait.

Anyone who blames Dawson for agreeing to a rematch clause is clearly new to the sport.

[IMDAZED]

I agree with most of it other than that Diaconu is not a dangerous opponent. ****, he beat another unbeaten good fighter in Chris Henry, he is aggressive, and has power. Not an easy win.

However, I think he gets a pass because people like Johnson, Tarver, Hopkins, Calzaghe, all the guys he is calling out are getting older, and every day that goes by gets them farther from their prime. Diaconu is not in danger of losing his prime anytime soon, so that bout can wait.

Anyone who blames Dawson for agreeing to a rematch clause is clearly new to the sport.

Yup, especially since he's gone out of his way to attempt to make certain fights.

The Tarver rematch is interesting. I think Dawson wins again but I was surprised at how fresh Tarver looked at the beginning of that fight, and at the end. He simply lost to a supremely conditioned younger, faster boxer. But Tarver gave himself opportunities by continuing to throw. With his power, Dawson's inconsistent whiskers and occasional lapses in concentration, this fight is just as dangerous as the first. And like the first, it won't be as easy as it looks.

[JWPearce3]

WHY are people STILL bitching about this fight?

It can't be helped... Tarver's belt was on the line the first time, so he put a rematch clause in the contract, and Tarver is making Dawson fight him again.

If Dawson refuses, he gets sued out of his mind.

This is Antonio Tarver's fault, and he doesn't have any better payday options, so who can blame him?

Yeah, it sucks, but... there's nothing that can be done about it.

Well said. I can't stand Tarver but it's no worse than any other old timer trying to hang on. But if Dawson takes this lightly, it could end up like the other Tarver rematches.

[Fox McCloud]

Explain to me how.
DWiens posted it was all Tarver`s fault and i pointed out that it was not.

It just makes no sense how you can put any blame on the world title challenger because he agreed to a rematch clause.

If he didn't agree to that, he wouldn't have gotten the shot at the IBF belt. Remember, Tarver almost called off the third Jones fight because Jones wanted to walk second... Jones had to concede that or the rubber match never would have happened.

All champions get rematch clauses, but only the douchebags (a la Tarver) take them after they got smoked in the first one.